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[PC03]

It seems to be bodybuilding’s missing link. If you’re lifting, down the road your body is going to look great but your face will look nowhere near in synch. There is a reason for symmetry in judging. If you neglect it, it’s gonna show. Some of the builders I’ve talked to are still under the impression that training the body alone keeps the face firm through grimacing etc. Not even close, and no amount of makeup will hide sag. Most bodybuilders who don’t pay that much attention to their face, usually wind up with a lot of facial sun damage (tan for competition) over the years, you add that on top of facial muscle atrophy... Shar-pei

If any of you are interested in Facialbuilding just Google it. BTW, There is one area that I was really impressed with when I started out and that's the mouth area. You can really build it big-time. Why anybody would go for lip injections when you can build it makes no sense at all.

[PC03]

Her name is Tori the first photo was taken in 1993 (one of her own photos.)

She didn’t start FB until 1998 the after photo was taken at FlexEffect in 1999 she’s even 6 years older than the first photo. She still has a lot of sun damage (Facialbuilding can’t do it all) but look at the added thickness to her lids.

Before:
http://www.flexeffect.com/testim1.jpg

After:
http://www.flexeffect.com/testim3.jpg

[CF-OC_gal]

Originally Posted by PC03

Her name is Tori the first photo was taken in 1993 (one of her own photos.)

What a bunch of bogus!! I looked at them from info in another post. Try photographing someone in the same lighting conditions. Look beneath the crappy photography and you will see the truth, a mature women with wrinkles and thin skin around the eyes. That's just life. We will all get there eventually.

These are like the Perricone diet claim. The before and after pictures look exactly the same to me, just a different colour tone to them. It's a little bit of the emperors new clothes syndrome. No one wants to admit there is nothing there!

The face exercises are a waste of time especially if you have to buy $60 worth of face training tapes. Try smiling and laughing with friends. That way what ever lines you develop will carry a beautiful character along with them.

The 2 best pieces of a advice anyone could give are :

1. Don't smoke - EVER! Smokers have the worst facial skin after 40 and it is irreversible.

2. Stay out of the sun and wear a sunblock outside. The sun ages skin like nobody's business. Once the elasticity is gone forget it. Again it is irreversible damage that shows up after 40.

[PC03]

Are you kidding? It’s the controlled lighting that makes me wonder. These photos were from the trainer herself. What BB here is using controlled lighting to show his progress?

Come on…. If a person wants to blow smoke, all she has to do is take a photo when rested … mid-day w/makeup…. (Under controlled lighting). Then, the next night have a few beers with a heaping pile of pizza, get up at 4:30 a.m. and take another photo, under that same controlled lighting. Soooooo NOW WHAT???

You either got a head for what the body is capable of, or you don’t. A photo really has nothing to do with it. Any photo can be BS

Building muscle is building muscle. All works the same (same muscle fiber same connective tissue). It’s not like there is a line across the neck (diet and supplements only)

Do you think people with sagging necks can’t clean it up… how many guys have you seen in the gym that have built to the point of NO NECK? Ever looked at Tom Platts on roids… his Masseter muscle looks like a chipmunk w/nuts. ALL facial muscle can build. And please… I’m not talking heavy bulk or ripped…. but you can overbuild some areas… been there.

Those of you who can figure this one out on your own will be waaaaaay ahead of the game.

BTW Schwarzenegger himself is a Facialbuilder ...When you know THAT much about muscle ... it's only natural.

[CF-OC_gal]

I'd love to see closeups of your before and after photos.

[PC03]

don't have any... most facialbuilders don't. I'm also a BB don't have before/after either of my bod ... still a BB

[CF-OC_gal]

These photos show a lot. Her younger hairstyle makes a big difference. I think she has a much more confident look, less emaciated in the "orange" photo. Neither one of them are really in proper focus. If I had to look like her, I'd want to be like the first one (testim2).

http://www.flexeffect.com/testim2.jpg

http://www.flexeffect.com/testim4.jpg

Now here is a really good photo to show before and afters: http://www.flexeffect.com/testim7.jpg

[PC03]

Can you believe the drape in the cheek area ... http://www.flexeffect.com/testim7.jpg Remember this photo was taken (about 3 years difference in her age) between the first (before photo) and (after photo). You got to admit NO amount of lighting would hide this amount of sag or drape.

Brat,

I’m not on this forum to sell anything. You may have already read that I’ll be a certified FE trainer in a few months. The only time I get any $ is when I’m actually training one on one…. Can’t sell any product.

I was told, the best way to beef up my skills, as a trainer is to talk about the training itself. That’s why the photo’s etc.

I was also told…. "If you don’t know your stuff, you’ll be blown out of the water by the first person who thinks you’re full of S..t” I’m finding out she was right.

This isn’t the only forum I’m on. I’ve had to do some serious research a few times to answer some of the questions put to me.

I know that there are a lot of BS programs out there (most of them) so I know where you are coming from … but, this is not one of them.

Anyway, some of the BBs here will get a heads-up on what they might be missing, and I’ll get the s..t kicked out of me LOL! Sounds like a pretty good trade-off don’t ya think :

[CF-OC_gal]

I don't think you are trying to sell anything. I just don't see the benefits and the quality of photos posted don't seeem to be helping.

As a former competitor and certified judge (11 years IFBB at the regional level) I beg to differ.

I'll let it go at that. Good luck with your endevours.

[PC03]

Totally Cool… one man’s tea… another man’s poison.

But hey... it is a 'New Topic'

[CF-OC_gal]

Originally Posted by PC03

Totally Cool… one man’s tea… another man’s poison.

But hey... it is a 'New Topic'

Now Kegels, there are a bunch of awesome, often neglected exercises that no amount of photos will help promote! :

They won't make you prettier but they may keep you desireable.

[PC03]

Wait a minute ... competitive BB and IFBB judge. You are exactly the person I would like to TRY to convince that such training is legitimate. You obviously have a complete understanding of anatomy / physiology, so half my work is done right there.

If I CAN convince you that this training would be extremely beneficial for those who would be interested, I will personally give you a complete program for free. (Book/CD, video or DVD) … you can always give it as a gift.

Come on Brat, you have nothing to lose. Humor me here… give me some homework.

There has to be a reason why you don’t believe Facialbuilding is legit …what questions do you need answered?

[CF-OC_gal]

Your offer is sweet. If you want to PM me go ahead but I can't be bought. I should also let you know that I no longer judge or compete.

BTW - in our training and workshops we were never advised to rate or call out competitors in order to better assess their jawline or the height of their cheekbones. Usually pleasing proportion and balance in development of the basic muscle groups was the bottom line.

Skin quality was always a big issue and many of the senior/ master competitors you see on Internet sites today would have been rated at the bottom of the heap back in the day based on muscle quality and skin quality. I'm, sorry a ripped 65 y.o. with a winning smile can't hold a candle to a buff 25 y.o. with thickness, symetry and balanced vascularity.

[PC03]

It took me a few minutes to understand what you were talking about. I think you misread a few of my former posts…

First post:

Someone said they thought that just BB alone would keep the face firm (built)

I responded with:

… If you’re not going after an individual muscle of the face, it’s going to stay right where it is. If that muscle is slack (folds in the skin) then it will stay slack. Even though you are supplying extra blood to the face during a workout (which is very beneficial) it’s doing zip for the size of the muscle.

For the same reason you’re judged in ‘symmetry’ during a competition… If you neglect a muscle group it’s going to show. Working surrounding muscles won’t get the job done.

I certainly didn’t mean a person’s facial muscles were being judged during a competition.


Second Post:


About the older women,

I only posted the photos of those women because I thought everyone would be as blown away as I was by their age (84) and still going for it. It had nothing to do with Facialbuilding. They’re not Facialbuilders.

I swear, buying you off never crossed my mind LOL ... It was just an attempt at a friendly jester.

Got a feeling this is all pretty annoying to you so I'll just bug-off

[CF-OC_gal]

It was interesting. I had no idea that person was 84, or were facial builders.

I can honestly say that at 84 I'll be lucky not to have to be dealing with cancer, diabetes, heart disease and hypertension first and foremost.

I've heard that regular facials are the best thing for the face. I never assumed that pushing iron would would increase circulation to the face although that is the idea behind washing, sloughing and massage routines. Ever read the Rachel Perry book?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0895...52#reader-link

It's fun to do, but is really a way to promote her products (which no one up here carries anymore)