speaking of girliness....

[threenorns]

Originally Posted by ajarvis

So a company is legally allowed not to hire someone because they're overweight due to how they may make the company "look"? I hadn't realized that.

I do agree she could have done some research on the company, but I just don't think allegedly fake boobs, and colored contacts should have anything to do with who does or doesn't get a job. I mean don't most companies have a dress code that employees have to follow once they're hired?

yup - "legally", they can't, but it happens all the time. i know this for a fact because i can't tell you the number of jobs that went to lesser-qualified, even NON-qualified ppl, who happened to be 8 sizes smaller than i.

most companies want ppl that demonstrate forethought and initiative.

[arbit]

Originally Posted by threenorns

yup - "legally", they can't, but it happens all the time. i know this for a fact because i can't tell you the number of jobs that went to lesser-qualified, even NON-qualified ppl, who happened to be 8 sizes smaller than i.

most companies want ppl that demonstrate forethought and initiative.

I have no problem beliving that. My neibor says the front women at corporate offices are all hot looking, skinny, young etc.
The older ones, normal ones are all at the back at lesser paid positions.

Looks matter(also for men), bootiful people are valued more, get paid more.
The world is not fair.
It sucks

[threenorns]

Originally Posted by arbit

I have no problem beliving that. My neibor says the front women at corporate offices are all hot looking, skinny, young etc.
The older ones, normal ones are all at the back at lesser paid positions.

Looks matter(also for men), bootiful people are valued more, get paid more.
The world is not fair.
It sucks

"lesser paid" positions at the back? that, i find a bit hard to believe. the positions at the back are usually ones like Accounting, HR, and Executive Secretary, all of which get paid a heckuva lot more than receptionist, generally speaking.

and you're right: beautiful ppl (or at least, ppl with good bodies) are valued more - but at the same time, women with nice bodies are taken less seriously. iv'e been both ends of the spectrum and while i hate the way i look large, i do enjoy the fact that most men actually know what my face looks like and when i say "no", it categorically means "NO!". when i was a size 7, most guys never raised their eyes above chest level and attempted date rape was a constant problem.

[swanem]

Diana

Deb 1

Deb 2

I personally have no problem with females having anything fake, as long as it makes them feel good about themselves. As far as them looking like a man, that sounds like steroids...

The other "problem" with the girl who did not get hired, sounds like a case of a lack of diversity to me. If she can do the job better than anyone else, who cares what she looks like? Ever watch NCIS? Abby, the Forensic Specialist, Freak? Or genius? Abby

Guys may oogle over a "hot" girl, I oogle over a confident girl (and a little hotness does not hurt either).

[Lift2Live]

I think that the last two pictures of women posted look a little better than perhaps what is being dicussed but, fake knockers are just a huuuuge turn off for me. Who in the world wants to look like they have inverted cereal bowls attached to their chest? lol

[swanem]

Scary

All these women are "bodybuilders", there are some scary ones, and I would say that most of these probably have fakes. I am just saying, if they are done right, and look good to the person who has them, then that is great. Pam Anderson, HOT! and fake.

[CF-OC_gal]

I'd stop lifting before my arms ever got to the point of Deb 2. Too manish.

[threenorns]

i like diana and both debs - that's what i'm talking about, as opposed to the specimen above (which is a bit wierd - definitely either roids or GH in there somewhere)

[tim_mcf]

Originally Posted by threenorns

what DO you think about those women who bulk up and pare down until they've lost all feminine attributes, then stick on fake boobs, fake eyelashes, fake nails, fake hair (falls and the like), and "where's-the-pole" heels?

while i do admire their bodybuilding achievement, am i alone in thinking they look an awful lot like guys in drag?

That's really unattractive. What IS attractive is being healthy, and that's just not healthy. Women are naturally supposed to have a higher body fat % than men, bring it down too low and they just don't look good. Not to say that it's not nice to see abs, but you don't want to go too far.

[midgetcop]

Not that I'm condoning steroid use in either women OR men...

...but how about we stop judging women's progress on their looks, in terms of 'manish' or 'feminine'? Men don't seem to have to walk this fine line between masculine and masculine, whereas women have to be careful lest they cross the line into 'un-feminine' territory.

I say screw that. Sure, if you want to bust them for chemically altering their bodies (if that is indeed the case), then go for it. But then do the same for male bodybuilders.

For those women who can pile on the weight, GOOD FOR THEM. Weight training isn't always for aesthetic purposes, but for women for some reason we hold them to this different standard than men. What if....GOD FORBID....they aren't training to turn you on? What if they are training to reach a personal goal?

It all boils down to the same attitude towards women weight lifters: train and have fun, but don't get too buff or else we're going to reject you as a woman.

[arbit]

Originally Posted by midgetcop

Men don't seem to have to walk this fine line between masculine and masculine, whereas women have to be careful lest they cross the line into 'un-feminine' territory.

Yeah rite, ever hear the term "girly man"?
Many women find personal grooming in men unattractive - they say its feminine.
How many scrawny guys are sex symbols?
If a guy demonstrates some feminine traits on his first date, he can pretty much forget it.

Stereotypes are everywhere.

[DaRkAnGel]

Most women im assuming that get into bodybuilding could give a ****s less about normal guys that dont appreciate them.

This is why bodybuilding females are generally accompanied by men that are equally as big in the opposite sex.

Personally though, what does it in for me is when the amount of steroids these women take produces enough hormones for them to grow an adams apple and develope male facial characteristics and believe me, this is more common than it seems.

[CF-OC_gal]

Originally Posted by arbit

Yeah rite, ever hear the term "girly man"?
Many women find personal grooming in men unattractive - they say its feminine.
How many scrawny guys are sex symbols?
If a guy demonstrates some feminine traits on his first date, he can pretty much forget it.

Stereotypes are everywhere.

Further to that, I would say that b!tch tits are pretty undesireabley feminine on a guy and so is high body fat levels, the level that makes a woman look great. Yup the atractiveness meter goes both ways.

I don't know about others but my goals are tempered by my desire to feel good in my skin. If I am a different person on the inside than what I present to the world than I will never be happy with the way I am treated. We can be happy healthy and fit without ever displaying any discernable musculature or definition.

[threenorns]

like it or not, men and women HAVE different standards - that's why they're called "men" and "women". an optimally-built woman is going to look vastly different from an optimally-built man.

but if they're going to go the roid route and end up looking masculine, why do they bother with the lashes, nails, boob implants, etc if not to scream out "HEY! I'M FEMALE!"? seems to me the public's not the only one having trouble with acceptance.

[midgetcop]

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to look like 'roid pushing man either. I'm rather fond of my breasts

But when you think about the extremes that men also go to in the bodybuilding arena, then I wouldn't call that 'optimally-built' either.

All I'm saying is that bodybuilding doesn't seem to be focused on looking attractive, rather it's to get as freakishly HUGE as possible. And that goes for female bodybuilders as well. I'd say that considering the work and dedication (plus health sacrifices) that go into getting to that level, these women are pretty intent on their goals and could care less about traditional notions of female attractiveness. I'm sure they like what they see when they look in the mirror (as abhorent as it may be to the average person).