speaking of girliness....

**threenorns** · 05-May-05, 10:40 AM

what DO you think about those women who bulk up and pare down until they've lost all feminine attributes, then stick on fake boobs, fake eyelashes, fake nails, fake hair (falls and the like), and "where's-the-pole" heels?

while i do admire their bodybuilding achievement, am i alone in thinking they look an awful lot like guys in drag?

Lift2Live · 05-May-05, 11:31 AM

I'm sorry for posting in the Women's section but as a man, it's disgusting. We have one of those exact types at our gym and she walks around with her arms way out to her sides (Lat. Syndrome) and a snobby attitude that makes her very unattractive. She is too "manish" and I just don't get it, where are the curves?

**threenorns** · 05-May-05, 12:16 PM

what's wrong with a guy posting in the women's forum? so long as it's interesting, relevent, and/or funny, i'm all for it.

i always wondered about that. i really like the appearance of the Ms Fitness competitors - i think i'm going to strive for something more along those lines than Ms Olympia, although with my build, i don't think i'd have much choice, lol!

as for "lat syndrome", alas: i think i'm getting that - i can't touch my elbows to my waist any more unless i rotate my arms out severely. at least, i definitely don't have a snobby attitude (quite the opposite, lol!).

Amkey · 05-May-05, 12:38 PM

Threenorms,
Have you ever been to a competition in person?

You can be a lightweight bodybuilder. If you see these women in person they are not that huge. I think the last lightweight I saw was 5'7" and about 140lbs clean cut. They just have such low body fat. If you can dance and flip around the stage then more power to you to be Ms. Fitness. I just want to have a psoe down =)

sillyme · 05-May-05, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by threenorns

what DO you think about those women who bulk up and pare down until they've lost all feminine attributes, then stick on fake boobs, fake eyelashes, fake nails, fake hair (falls and the like), and "where's-the-pole" heels?

while i do admire their bodybuilding achievement, am i alone in thinking they look an awful lot like guys in drag?

Overall I'm not a fan of fake books, fake this and fake that. I think that it sends the wrong message. I think it screams, "I'm so vain that I'll go under the knife and waste thousands of dollars on unneccessary, invasive surgery". I know that my opinion is not shared by many folks here.

Recently my husband and his boss were hiring a new assistant. One of the women who applied for the job showed with colored contacts, fake boobs and a tight blouse. He said that she was warm and friendly, but he thought that it was very unprofessional of her to show up to a job interview looking like that. The boss felt that the woman's image was not the message that the company wanted to send. So she lost the offer.

**midgetcop** · 05-May-05, 01:05 PM

I think it defeats the purpose of fitness, which is to work hard to look good and feel good. When your gains are coming from steroids and you have to compensate by stuffing in fake boobs, then that's just twisted. There's no real achievement when you've turned your body into a freakshow through drugs and plastic surgery.

And that goes for male bodybuilders as well.

Amkey · 05-May-05, 01:09 PM

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Overall I'm not a fan of fake books, fake this and fake that. I think that it sends the wrong message. I think it screams, "I'm so vain that I'll go under the knife and waste thousands of dollars on unneccessary, invasive surgery". I know that my opinion is not shared by many folks here.

Recently my husband and his boss were hiring a new assistant. One of the women who applied for the job showed with colored contacts, fake boobs and a tight blouse. He said that she was warm and friendly, but he thought that it was very unprofessional of her to show up to a job interview looking like that. The boss felt that the woman's image was not the message that the company wanted to send. So she lost the offer.

Okay very confused! So your husband/husbands boss did not offer someone a job because she had colored contacts on (how did they know they were colored? Were they tiger eyes?) and she sported fake boobs (did she disclose that on her resume'?) and she wore a tight blouse. What kind of company is this? I work in corporate America and I have to dress for success if you would say. So I shop for work clothes at high dollar places. For my birthday I even got a pair of cuff links for some new blouses and I can be the first to tell you these are not baggy shirts! These are form fitting button up or non button shirts.

Now if this woman showed up looking like a high dollar hooker then I can understand but there is a difference in that and what you just gave as reasons that she lost the offer.

**threenorns** · 05-May-05, 01:39 PM

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Threenorms,
Have you ever been to a competition in person?

You can be a lightweight bodybuilder. If you see these women in person they are not that huge. I think the last lightweight I saw was 5'7" and about 140lbs clean cut. They just have such low body fat. If you can dance and flip around the stage then more power to you to be Ms. Fitness. I just want to have a psoe down =)

yup - my former trainer used to compete and did very well on his first competition (2nd in master's division plus "most ripped"). i think it's the very-low-fat, skin-like-leather appearance that puts me off. as for dancing and flipping about, ROFLMFGDAO!!!!!

i don't think so.

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Okay very confused! So your husband/husbands boss did not offer someone a job because she had colored contacts on (how did they know they were colored? Were they tiger eyes?) and she sported fake boobs (did she disclose that on her resume'?) and she wore a tight blouse. What kind of company is this? I work in corporate America and I have to dress for success if you would say. So I shop for work clothes at high dollar places. For my birthday I even got a pair of cuff links for some new blouses and I can be the first to tell you these are not baggy shirts! These are form fitting button up or non button shirts.

Now if this woman showed up looking like a high dollar hooker then I can understand but there is a difference in that and what you just gave as reasons that she lost the offer.

the impression i got from the description is that the woman did indeed look a bit too much like a "lady of negotiable affection". blouse-wise, there's a big image difference between "form-fitting" and "tight": one is nice, the other isn't. whether or not she did, though, is not the reason she didn't get the job - the reason is that she didn't do her research and make an effort to present herself in a way that aligned with the image of that corporation in particular, even if it fitted in with a generic "corporate image".

three-piece button-down suits or skirt/blouse combos are not always the appropriate thing to wear: had you yourself shown up for a job at, say, a day care or a garage wearing a high-end outfit, you wouldn't get the job either.

as for fake boobs, yes, very often you can tell they're fake, particularly if they're the type that look like scoops of mashed potato globbed onto the chest wall.

Amkey · 05-May-05, 02:41 PM

I do not think fake boobs should ever be the reason to not get a job nor the color of someone contacts unless they are like those crazy things teens seem to like. Tight blouses can look good and professional. Of course if you are big busted fake or real then it might seem a little tighter.

Cort · 05-May-05, 04:01 PM

Doesn't bother me one way or another. I don't find it attractive but its their body, not mine.

But yeah, a lot of the female bodybuilders do basically look like men in drag.

Klinger · 05-May-05, 04:16 PM

Well, I like a little softness in women. Those buff women are impressive, but I do not find them to be even vaguely attractive. I'll take fit and healthy over ripped any day.

sillyme · 06-May-05, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Amkey

Okay very confused! So your husband/husbands boss did not offer someone a job because she had colored contacts on (how did they know they were colored? Were they tiger eyes?) and she sported fake boobs (did she disclose that on her resume'?) and she wore a tight blouse. What kind of company is this? I work in corporate America and I have to dress for success if you would say. So I shop for work clothes at high dollar places. For my birthday I even got a pair of cuff links for some new blouses and I can be the first to tell you these are not baggy shirts! These are form fitting button up or non button shirts.

Now if this woman showed up looking like a high dollar hooker then I can understand but there is a difference in that and what you just gave as reasons that she lost the offer.

We grew up in Southern Cal - trust me you can spot colored contacts and fake books across the room. They scream fake!!!!

You don't have to like their hiring decisions. But she would not have been a good fit - pure and simple. Too artificial/superficial for a company that is EXTREMELY conservative and down to earth. I forgot to mention that all the other applicants did presentations about business. She did a presentation about herself.

ajarvis · 06-May-05, 12:09 PM

Isn't it against the law to discriminate against someone because of their physical appearance? Whether or not she has contacts or fake boobs shouldn't matter. (not to mention unless you have their medical history, and saw her take her contacts out you don't know for sure that they are fake) What should matter is whether she has the skills to do the job. I think it's ridiculous that employers get away with this type of thing. Of course this woman also has no way to complain about the discrimination, which is just as bad!

**threenorns** · 06-May-05, 12:39 PM

the only time it's discrimination is if the appearance is used to make a blanket assumption - ie, "she's a woman, therefore she's not a good truck driver" or "he's fat, therefore he's lazy".

obviously, the woman had the skillset or she wouldn't have been invited in for an interview. however, not bothering to make sure she would've been a good match for the corporate environment she was seeking to enter indicates a distressing lack of preparation and forethought or incredible arrogance ("i'm so amazing, they have to take me on my terms").

like it or not, the company has an image they've spent years and thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of dollars building up. to have the equivalent of a flamingo in a crowd of penguins would affect their image and it would affect the impression left on potential clients ("what kind of company would hire someone like *that*!?").

ajarvis · 06-May-05, 02:44 PM

So a company is legally allowed not to hire someone because they're overweight due to how they may make the company "look"? I hadn't realized that.

I do agree she could have done some research on the company, but I just don't think allegedly fake boobs, and colored contacts should have anything to do with who does or doesn't get a job. I mean don't most companies have a dress code that employees have to follow once they're hired?