you are beautiful - Page 2

ajarvis · 14-Oct-07, 12:31 PM

Good article, but I don't understand the hate of runners world...

CF-OC_gal · 14-Oct-07, 02:23 PM

TLC has some good episodes of "Plastic makes Perfect" about how people in general treat others when they are perceived as beautiful, pretty, fat or unhealthy in general. If you want to see human nature at it's worst check out the one of the skinny woman in a "fat suit" who drops her groceries. When she is fat hardly anyone helps her pick them up. When she is skinny and pretty she gets lots of help. Females never helped her at all in either situation!

I'd just like to see the sport or profession emphasized more than the look you get from it. We all crave "the look" to appear as a certain type of person who does certain things. I've actually had to fight my way back into intense training because I can't stand my bodyfat lower than 19-20% and the balance it takes to keep it that way. It's hard to set higher goals if it means your looks will change along with it.

Guys notice it too. For all the "cool guys" on DF here who like the look of androgynous female abs and a flat chest, there are many more who will lose interest in their girlfriends for a softer female who is not so intense with her daily regime of eating.

Merrida · 14-Oct-07, 02:30 PM

I think I saw that, and I remember how much the woman was shocked herself. They sent her out (if we saw the same thing) in the same area, and duplicated the circumstances as best they could, and she remembered, people wouldn't even look at her when she was wearing the fat suit, no eye contact, never mind help. And when she went out as herself and got the attention,....what was interesting was that instead of the result being she favored her normal body, it made her disgusted with human's observations and perceptions and treatment of people based on looks. It was worth crying over when you saw how cruel people looked at her. It was sick.

JahMoka · 14-Oct-07, 09:48 PM

That was a "cute" article but there is nothing wrong with being a girly-girl. I love makeup and well manicured nails.

I can appreciate the dedication of women who don't mind sweating and kick boxing, running marathons, etc. but I prefer doing simple cardio and eating healthy in order to look and feel beautiful. Not everyone can be athletic - I don't need ginormous muscles to feel like a real woman.

Merrida · 14-Oct-07, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JahMoka

That was a "cute" article but there is nothing wrong with being a girly-girl. I love makeup and well manicured nails.

I can appreciate the dedication of women who don't mind sweating and kick boxing, running marathons, etc. but I prefer doing simple cardio and eating healthy in order to look and feel beautiful. Not everyone can be athletic - I don't need ginormous muscles to feel like a real woman.

"Cute article?" It was a program that completely debased the female gender to show shallow, callous and superficial behavior.

As for being a girly girl, no one is going to disagree with you, and not every female,....and not every female who posts on this board wants "ginormous" muscles. Some do, some don't....as you'll discover, we all have our own goals and we train accordingly and eat accordingly. You have to do what's right for you. It is your body after all. Not to mention, the effort that would be required for a female to develop "ginormous" muscles is a lifestyle that you couldn't adapt to,...and few could,...combined with genetics. If getting "ginormous" were that easy, a lot of us females who happen to like being muscular, would have gotten here a lot quicker and with a lot less sweat,....with or without manicured nails.

My only contention is this craze on the anorexic physique being viewed as attractive, and the horrific experience that program showed of how people relate to the same women as is, compared to wearing a fat suit. It was sickening and sad....

None of that reflects on you or your goals, but,......the attitude displayed is far from "cute."

CF-OC_gal · 15-Oct-07, 05:38 AM

I think the "article" Jahmoka is referring too is the one in the original thread starter not the TLC TV show.

I really don't see a whole lot of difference between "the look" of an insanely thin woman who gets there through diet (with or without cardio) and "the look" of a woman who is "ripped to the nines" through diet and muscle development. Both have bony articulations, low bodyfat, often thin skin, pronounced pelvic bones and few have retained a natural sized chest (the runway model would win this contest).

Both require constant attention to one's diet and physical output. Some people get good genetics thrown in the mix to make it easier.

**midgetcop** · 15-Oct-07, 09:07 AM

Fantastic article. This is already stuff I espouse to women all the time. But in the end, it is their body, and most seem to be more concerned with attaining a "look" rather than a physical goal or accomplishment.

CF - I can tell the difference between the "look". For those achieving low-bodyfat through starvation, there is absolutely no muscle tone. Just skin and bone (a la most female celebrities). Those achieving it through fitness+strict diet have plenty of muscle to show for it (think Madonna, Holly Hunter). I'd say the latter requires far more work and is by and far healthier.

CF-OC_gal · 15-Oct-07, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by midgetcop

Fantastic article. This is already stuff I espouse to women all the time. But in the end, it is their body, and most seem to be more concerned with attaining a "look" rather than a physical goal or accomplishment.

CF - I can tell the difference between the "look". For those achieving low-bodyfat through starvation, there is absolutely no muscle tone. Just skin and bone (a la most female celebrities). Those achieving it through fitness+strict diet have plenty of muscle to show for it (think Madonna, Holly Hunter). I'd say the latter requires far more work and is by and far healthier.

Sure I too can "tell" the difference, but I don't really "see" the difference. I'm talking about the filter of personal preferences, identity and all the other psychological factors we bring to the forefront when making judgments and decisions about what others and our own selves should be like.

Madonna and Holly Hunter are middle of the road not the extremes of low bodyfat. I've seen lots of natural waifs who don't really exercise much and eat "clean" who are not "unfit" looking or lacking muscle tone in the muscle they have.

**LiftGirl** · 15-Oct-07, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JahMoka

That was a "cute" article but there is nothing wrong with being a girly-girl. I love makeup and well manicured nails.

I can appreciate the dedication of women who don't mind sweating and kick boxing, running marathons, etc. but I prefer doing simple cardio and eating healthy in order to look and feel beautiful. Not everyone can be athletic - I don't need ginormous muscles to feel like a real woman.

I'm proud to say that I manicure my nails and deadlift 145 for 6 reps. I just work out for general health and fitness, not necessarily "ginormous muscles." But I'd be lying if I said I didn't like my new look. So I guess it's general health 90%, looks 10%.

Merrida · 15-Oct-07, 11:36 AM

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CF - I can tell the difference between the "look". For those achieving low-bodyfat through starvation, there is absolutely no muscle tone. Just skin and bone (a la most female celebrities). Those achieving it through fitness+strict diet have plenty of muscle to show for it (think Madonna, Holly Hunter). I'd say the latter requires far more work and is by and far healthier.

Amen to that! I notice a huge difference in "the look" as well, and that look is that one looks healthy, one does not.

**.V.** · 15-Oct-07, 11:47 AM

I've met very few natural waifs in my life. But those that eat healthy and don't starve, even those that won't workout look pretty good. Not as good in my personal opinion as those that work hard for results and build the body, but that's just my opinion. Those that just starve and don't eat look horrible.

JahMoka · 15-Oct-07, 03:35 PM

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"None of that reflects on you or your goals, but,......the attitude displayed is far from "cute."

No attitude here, I just think thin people get caught in the crossfire when discussing body images. It seems that it's always the thin look that gets attacked.

Merrida · 15-Oct-07, 03:55 PM

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No attitude here, I just think thin people get caught in the crossfire when discussing body images. It seems that it's always the thin look that gets attacked.

I think the only reason it may get attacked is because of what the "thin look" has done to our girls in this culture. The emphasis on thin (vs. slim or slender and healthy,...note I am avoiding words like buff and "ginormous" to suit the conversation), has led to young girls collapsing because of anorexia. The emphasis on being thin, the look of thin, often leads to dangerous behavior and perhaps that is what you're picking up on.

I doubt anyone here, male or female takes any umbrage with a desire for a woman who wishes to look slim and fit. The umbrage may, however, arise if the intended goal is "thin" with the razor sharp collar bones, the rib cages showing, the gaunt eyes (the heroine chic of today),...

And please remember, some of us are in professions where we're the ones who have to go pick up bodies of collapsed young women from malnutrition, or the ones who have to educate our females on the difference between slender and fit, and skinny and thin, are different idioms.

When I see a woman throwing up blood from too many episodes of bulemia, or destroying her metabolism because she's drastically undereating (and have to be there for her when her weight returns),...it's painful.

We're just pro-health, not anti-slender.

JahMoka · 16-Oct-07, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Merrida

When I see a woman throwing up blood from too many episodes of bulemia, or destroying her metabolism because she's drastically undereating (and have to be there for her when her weight returns),...it's painful.

We're just pro-health, not anti-slender.

I see your point & totally understand.

**Doc2029** · 16-Oct-07, 07:11 AM

Like the other day at they gym I saw this woman she was so thin I was afraid of her. He had very little BF on her. She was lifting weights and you could see every muscle right through her skin, you could count her vertibra and ribs. Her shorts were below her waist you could see her pelvis poking out. She was lifting too heavy with really crappy form. Then she did god knows how much cardio. The whole time I saw her drink nothing or eat nothing. I am sure she thought she was the absoulte picture of health. I am guessing a victim of what these ultra thin celebs. look like and the pushing of that image by the media.

People were all over Brittney Spears at the MTV awards they said she was fat. I don't know she might have been fatter than normal for her but I though she looked good. Maybe not as toned, but still damn I though she was hot!