Absolutely powerful

[Dan C]

Though moving so much weight around everyday is a strain on the heart (just like any other muscle), you can be fat and fit... fit as in well conditioned. Check out Bud Jeffries at www.strongerman.com

Paul Anderson was no slouch either.

[luke.w]

Originally Posted by rab91787

.One powerlifter who has an awesome physique I saw on WSM is Mariusz Pudzianowski. That guy is a beast.

You talk about "health" and shape and give this example??????

Mariuaz looks like hes pushing 40years old, he may look like a bodybuilder and all that, but he looked 35 when he was 23years old?, I wonder why that is????????

[rab91787]

Not only all the extra weight but all of the extra calories being consumed. I doubt they eat much in terms of healthy foods when they are downing those 4000+ calories or whatever it is they consume a day. Sure you can get "in shape" per say and still be in cardiovascular shape while consuming mass amounts of calories but what happens when you age and are still used to eating that much and are carrying all of that extra weight? So many ex-NFL linemen die at an early age because of this.

[rab91787]

Originally Posted by luke.w

You talk about "health" and shape and give this example??????

Mariuaz looks like hes pushing 40years old, he may look like a bodybuilder and all that, but he looked 35 when he was 23years old?, I wonder why that is????????

Yeah he has abused steroids as with most of the WSM competitors... but I was using him as one of the few examples I know of a powerlifter that is not obese.

[luke.w]

Originally Posted by Dan C

Though moving so much weight around everyday is a strain on the heart (just like any other muscle), you can be fat and fit... fit as in well conditioned. Check out Bud Jeffries at www.strongerman.com

Paul Anderson was no slouch either.

alot of "fat and fit" guys seemed to hit a downfall in their late 30's and after that, seemed to just stop training and then died, I'd think most coulda done something about?

louis Cyr
Anderson
Hepburn
the list goes on.

I don't know the full Anderson story, but it seemed he retired to set his sites on the "boys home" I guess he didn't do much exercise? He looked just like a big blob when he was commissioning the very first WSM, but was still a TAD functional.

A video about the life of Paul Anderson is available for purchase on Clarence Bass' website (http://www.cbass.com). I own this video and purchased it to watch it with my Dad who lifted weights during the Paul Anderson era and actually met Paul Anderson at the 1956 trials for the Olympic team in San Jose, CA.

The video is a wonderful story of a very strong and powerful man who after his Olympic success had a stronger calling from God, and who devoted the rest of his life to the ministry of serving troubled youth, creating the Paul Anderson Home in Georgia. His story in the video will bring subtle and unexpecting tears to even the toughest and strongest viewers. I highly recommend it.

Paul Anderson had a kidney-related disease (can't remember the exact name) that he developed when he was young, and this contributed to his early death.

Again, I highly recommend the video for the strongman crowd.

[maverick]

Originally Posted by rab91787

Not only all the extra weight but all of the extra calories being consumed. I doubt they eat much in terms of healthy foods when they are downing those 4000+ calories or whatever it is they consume a day.

I eat 4000+ calories a day and I eat nothing but high fiber cereal, skim milk, whey, turkey burgers, oatmeal, salmon, nuts, steak, whole wheat pasta, lean lunch meat, high fiber bread, chicken breasts, salad, eggs, fat free shredded cheese, olive oil, and casein protein. Literally, I eat a cycle of ONLY those things day in and day out unless I'm going out and enjoying life (i.e., drinks with friends, restaraunts, etc...). I'd say thats fairly healthy food.

You're nit-picking about aspects that have little to do with powerlifting, and frankly, it just comes off as jealousy. The achievements in these vids are astonishing, not many can look like Brad Pitt in Fight Club and front squat over 600 pounds. And yes, if these guys changed their goals and dieted down, they would OWN any local bodybuilding tournament they entered and I'm sure even move on to more prestigious contests in little time. Not everyone thinks like you though rab.

BTW, do you think its "healthy" to be 300 pounds and less than 10% bodyfat like Mariusz? Do you think your body's metabolism really wants to be running like a freight train just to keep you going (with little fat to help support the high expenditure of calories)? Appearances aren't everything, and those who know me know that that is not easy for me to say.

[rab91787]

You say you eat over 4000 calories a day but then say all the healthy foods you consume. My point was that a lot of the real huge powerlifters have to be eating a lot of calories and probably get them from eating UNHEALTHY foods. Combine that with little to no cardiovascular exercise and you get a recipe for early death.

And no, I am not jealous because someone can lift a ton of weight in a particular exercise that I'll never be able to do. Eating big and getting big has a LOT to do with power lifting... or else you wouldn't see the best power lifters being gigantic. Someone with that much muscle could be healthy but it'd take a lot of work and money... which I think Mariusz has covered. If he doesn't croak from steroid use and keeps up his cardio he will more than likely outlive his obese power lifting counterparts.

[maverick]

I can't have a conversation with someone who makes baseless, sweeping generalizations.

So you would argue that powerlifters being overweight is worse than long term steroid use by someone like Mariusz? I fail to see where money is a factor in losing weight.

[luke.w]

Originally Posted by rab91787

Someone with that much muscle could be healthy but it'd take a lot of work and money... which I think Mariusz has covered. If he doesn't croak from steroid use and keeps up his cardio he will more than likely outlive his obese power lifting counterparts.

it ain't just steriods, old Mariusz failed the WSM 05 drug test (recreational drugs), Jonny Perry who was fatman looking also died with recreational drugs, don't get me wrong I still believe sterriods are gateway to this stuff, why on earth would life long athletes need "coke"ect. Wrestlers are the same, it's sad, no futures for professionals in some of these games.

Football is another story, here your talking about born talent, who only play for a season, who probilly party hard their whole life, and have the time for booze,drugs, and women.

[.V.]

So they are big - who cares. The point is the awesome display of strength and power. If I'm watching powerlifting displays, I want to see big men or women moving some big heavy stuff. I don't worry about how many monster burgers it took to get them there. When I'm watching bodybuilders, I admire the size, cuts, vascularity, I don't worry about what it took them to get there either and I don't care that the fatman can out-bench or out-dead them. Come on guys, enjoy it for what it is and let it go. If it ain't your thing - don't watch it.

[Firehawk]

Yes, those sweeping generalizations are ridiculous.

And who wants to look like Brad Pitt? My God, i'd rather be three times his physique. Bigger the better (leanwise)

[.V.]

Originally Posted by Firehawk

And who wants to look like Brad Pitt?

The village people?


Seriously I'd rather look like Jack Black than Brad Pitt. At least chicks find Jack to be sexy for some reason. Of course I do know this one guy that thinks Brad is pretty hot...we don't spend much time together though.

[Firehawk]

I'd rather look like Dave Tate shredded up than Brad Pitt shredded up.

Oh and by the way, you can eat 4000+ calories of clean food and still get fat lol.

[rab91787]

"So you would argue that powerlifters being overweight is worse than long term steroid use by someone like Mariusz? I fail to see where money is a factor in losing weight."

Ok... most of them aren't just "overweight." They are obese. Yeah Mariusz has used steroids but not everyone gets bad side effects years after steroid use. Look at Hulk Hogan and Schwarzenegger still kickin'. The money part was about him being able to afford the best quality foods and supplements. If you really think you can't have a conversation with me then don't. No need to get short.