Deadlift....Best all Round Exercise? - Page 2

**threenorns** · 22-Aug-05, 09:35 PM

one thing i've noticed: too many ppl start with a flat back and when they take the load, their backs round out. i think one way to stop that is to start with an arched back - stick the butt out - and then when you get into the movement, the back ends up flat.

**Firehawk** · 22-Aug-05, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by threenorns

one thing i've noticed: too many ppl start with a flat back and when they take the load, their backs round out. i think one way to stop that is to start with an arched back - stick the butt out - and then when you get into the movement, the back ends up flat.

To start with an arched back you would have to sit way too low to start the movement.

**threenorns** · 22-Aug-05, 10:47 PM

ah, so.

so it's not just a matter of making like a teenager showing off her brand-new boobs and booty, then.

luke.w · 23-Aug-05, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by threenorns

one thing i've noticed: too many ppl start with a flat back and when they take the load, their backs round out. i think one way to stop that is to start with an arched back - stick the butt out - and then when you get into the movement, the back ends up flat.

the only reason olyimpic lifters do this (keep the back flat) is because if you round your back on a heavy clean, you'll lose power in the movement, when oly. lifters do heavy pulls thier backs will round a tad also, when you get to a certain weight your back is going to round reguardless, BUT it's still a natural way of lifting.

**.V.** · 23-Aug-05, 06:50 AM

I don't get it, I thought you were supposed to start low with the butt down for deadlifting (conventional) and have it higher for SL. Is that not correct?

It seems that if the butt is low enough, the back can be arched and flatten out as you come up into the lift and then be arched again at the top. Am I doing it wrong?

luke.w · 23-Aug-05, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by a_welch503

I don't get it, I thought you were supposed to start low with the butt down for deadlifting (conventional) and have it higher for SL. Is that not correct?

It seems that if the butt is low enough, the back can be arched and flatten out as you come up into the lift and then be arched again at the top. Am I doing it wrong?

the butt is low so you can use the legs to get the weight off the ground, thats dosen't mean that the back doesn't round, the con. style powerlifting deadlift and the olyimpic pull/deadlift are 2-differant stlyes.
when you pull from the rack (higher deadlift) you gotta use the back more because the legs get damn near straight from those heights.

Shamrock · 23-Aug-05, 10:03 AM

Its funny, no matter how many times I've D/L'ed I can't recall my stance. Anyone else wish they could stand beside themselves and watch thier form?
Sigh, if only.

Or wait.... *Goes off in search of acid

**threenorns** · 23-Aug-05, 10:05 AM

pssst... sham, hon? there's been a technological innovation recently - it's called a digital camera...

Shamrock · 23-Aug-05, 10:08 AM

No workout partner remember.

I can just picture it now, digital camera duct taped to top of a plate!

**threenorns** · 23-Aug-05, 10:12 AM

i stick mine on a bench with a note saying "RECORDING!!!!" on top.

**Firehawk** · 23-Aug-05, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by a_welch503

I don't get it, I thought you were supposed to start low with the butt down for deadlifting (conventional) and have it higher for SL. Is that not correct?

It seems that if the butt is low enough, the back can be arched and flatten out as you come up into the lift and then be arched again at the top. Am I doing it wrong?

You cannot get maximum strength if you are sitting parallel to the floor when you start a conventional deadlift. You'll be limited too much by leg strength. I'm not saying do an SLDL, i'm saying find the happy middle ground. Yes, use your legs to break the ground. When i do them (video clips available) i usually start with my butt about half way down to parallel. My legs generally get the weight off the floor and most of the way up my shins before my back takes over. That's just how I do them.

Sumo Style you sit back alot more, but then again, sumo style is more technique and more legs than back.

**maverick** · 23-Aug-05, 11:55 AM

Oh come one, lets see those clips! You got that 500? I just noticed that you cracked 1000 on your big 3, thats awesome man (I still have 85 pounds to go, its gonna take forever)! When's that squat gonna catch up?

**Firehawk** · 23-Aug-05, 11:59 AM

I can email it to you. I don't have it up on a server or anything. I don't have the 500 pull but i do have a 465 and a 405. I'll have to get it up on a website or somethin

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I hate squatting dude. Even though I have good form, I never feel comfortable, I never can get excited for them, ugh. It sucks.

Thanks for the compliment about 1000. I was very happy to reach it, now on to 2000 lol.

**.V.** · 23-Aug-05, 12:22 PM

No question about it, Dave's DL video is impressive. And yes, your butt was much higher than mine when you started it. I guess my legs are limiting my DL because they are my weakness. I just can't risk rupturing a disk and having my back become my weakness. Tomorrow is back day, if I can pull it, I'll start with the butt a little higher than on the floor. I can't squat from the floor because I tip over backwards and squat wide (off the box) now to help strengthen the hams and butt. Using the legs to start the DL is my way of helping strengthen those sissy little quads I've got.

**Firehawk** · 23-Aug-05, 01:14 PM

Here's the 405 deadlift. Bar is away from my body more than I'd like, but i pulled it with pretty good speed anyway.
http://media.putfile.com/Deadlift-405-x-1-8-6-05

Here's the 465 deadlift. When i bent over to pick it up my shins hit the bar away from me which made it harder. I blame that on why i was so damn slow pulling it. The bar never even touched my body till the very top.
http://media.putfile.com/deadlift-465-x-1-8-6-05