Deads and Squats a question to ponder.. - Page 3

DaRkAnGel · 11-May-08, 10:15 PM

Westside... I was mainly joking hehe.

I think both deadlifts and squats are hard as ****. Hell, any lift is hard if you try hard enough

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That's not really a joke even. If you bust your ass on every lift you'll start noticing it...

I've been told I look like I'm trying just as hard when i bench whether its 135 or 315 on the bar... and that's completely true....

**maverick** · 12-May-08, 12:55 PM

As dark said, it seems a majority of (unequipped) people will deadlift more than they squat. And that's generally not even a deadlift to ATG squat comparison, its usually in reference to a parallel squat. Certain bodytypes and leverages make for inevtiable exceptions.

While I think that deadlifts are by far the hardest of the two (as more major muscles are actively engaged), I think the fear factor of squats maybe an element that makes squats tough. Getting under a bar is different mentally then picking one up.

Travis Bell · 12-May-08, 01:54 PM

A very good point. Lots can go wrong if you don't make a squat attempt. With a pull gravity does the spotting for you

westside24 · 12-May-08, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by maverick

I think the fear factor of squats maybe an element that makes squats tough. Getting under a bar is different mentally then picking one up.

Yes!!! you guys are ficken smart! Thats why I practied for a damn month to figure out how to get really low on my squats... I finally realized it wasnt my legs or hips or back or nothing, i was just scared! but I got it now. Not quite ass to calves but well below parallel.

**maverick** · 13-May-08, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by westside24

Yes!!! you guys are ficken smart! Thats why I practied for a damn month to figure out how to get really low on my squats... I finally realized it wasnt my legs or hips or back or nothing, i was just scared! but I got it now. Not quite ass to calves but well below parallel.

Same exact thing happened with a pair of guys that I was helping out in the gym for a while. When they started, they couldn't get better than even a 1/3 of a squat with less than 100 pounds. In a few weeks, one of them stuck with it, got used to the motion and stopped fearing it, and was repping just shy of 200 well below parallel. Results not typical, he had the frame for it and was very motivated.

Travis Bell · 13-May-08, 02:51 PM

I think this is why using a box is very helpful for alot of people. Other than using it to develop explosive power from a static position, it can be a very easy way to target a certain depth

westside24 · 13-May-08, 05:22 PM

im uneducated... what is a box? and how is it used? Actually ill prolly youtube it

Travis Bell · 13-May-08, 07:55 PM

box squats are a staple at Westside and I'd hazard a guess the majority of powerlifters use them. Basically you place a box under you and you adjust the height of the box to achieve a given height when you sit on it.

This is an old old video of Westside.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QugVk20OdKY

That is an example of DE squat day, but you can see the piled up mats, you can really use anything, a bench, a plain ol' wooden box, whatever you need. Just so long as its sturdy enough and high or low enough so you can achieve the given depth you want to use.

We'll set it at above parallel one day and then below parallel the next, right at parallel whatever we need to do for that day

westside24 · 14-May-08, 07:53 AM

oh.. I can see how it would benefit alot of people. especially someone like me, who has no spotter, the box would act as a spot in a sense... but the squat rack and the safety bars work well too. I actually prefer going way lower than that. and it seems like sitting down would take the load off your legs.

Travis Bell · 14-May-08, 08:54 AM

well the idea is to develop explosive strength out of the hole for free squatting (squatting with no box) The box stops the stretch reflex, making it harder than it would be if there were no box

westside24 · 14-May-08, 09:49 AM

oh..... ok that makes more sense too. thx for clearing that up. that seems like that would develope glute-ham strength a little more, or no?

Travis Bell · 14-May-08, 10:35 AM

yep, thats exactly it!

TheWICKED · 21-May-08, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Doc2029

Here is a question for everyone especially you power lifter types. Should these lifts be close to each in the amount of weight you are able to lift? Is there a relationship between deads and squats and the amount you can lift with correct form? I was just wondering.... Plus I thought this question might spark some good conversation or debate...

i'm confused about your question..are you asking if the number should be close to each other when maxed strength wise? IF that's it then no.. depends on what you're made to do..everyone is different and it depends on what you train for as well.

If you mean working out..that also depends on how your training and to what end.

westside24 · 23-May-08, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWICKED

If you mean working out..that also depends on how your training and to what end.

he was just saying, generally speaking, are most people even in weight on there squats and deads... except the examples you made, generally you could say no, caz most people are just able to dead more than they squat, because theyre isnt much focus on one over the other.

which you know that, but I am helping clear up the question for you.