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[luke.w]

hey Darklord, I get a pretty damn good pump in my chest from doing powercleans and powerjerks with over my bodyweight, that would be a "cheating movement" in your eyes, and I've done your style of benching also, so I can compare the two:

[threenorns]

the bench press, like the deadlift and the squat, is more a total-body movement if executed properly. when i use the flatback (elbows out) form, the amount of weight i can use is severely limited by how much my shoulders can handle because virtually all of the weight is being borne by shoulders and pecs. with the powerlifting form, the main auxiliary system becomes the lats - and since we want bigger last as well, that's a good thing. like i said before, just because they're not created from pullups or rows doesn't mean the width is any less valid.

the bottom line is, the more weight you move with proper form, the bigger the muscle will get. so why should i use a form that limits how much weight i can push? "leg drive", near as i can figure, isn't using your legs to physically move the weight - obviously, that's not quite possible. instead, i think it's more a way of channeling energy up through your entire body and sending it out through your chest and arms to drive the bar up.

[luke.w]

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instead, i think it's more a way of channeling energy up through your entire body and sending it out through your chest and arms to drive the bar up.[/QUOTE]


yes, energy, and until one is lifting a certain % of their own bodyweight (usually much over BW) with proper form, they'll never understand, until then it's all theories,assumtions,logic,ect.ect.

[Dan C]

Originally Posted by Firehawk

Yeah he wears some weird wraps though. I wear the 36" ones form Inzer. This guy wears some wraps that only go around the wrist once. I dunno. His wrist gave completely i guess. I know you're going to argue that "if he'd had wrist strength this might not have happened". While that's true, flukes can still happen. Wrists can suddenly give, just like knees can.

Sometimes it doesn't matter how strong they are. Just like grip problems. Powerlifters do have to have strong enough grips to hold onto the deadlift bar, and there's been PL meets that some of the guys I train with, as well as Others "cough exmgq cough" were going for a 700+ dead and have nailed it all day long at the gym, then they get to the meet and their grip just isn't there for whatever reason, flukey.

The wraps support you, they don't hold all the weight for you though.

Actually I was just going to point out that wraps do not prevent the wrists from 'going' but...

C'mon, wrist wraps for 185 pounds? :confused:

You can't post a video of you benching some warm up weight, with wraps, say it was after your heavy sets and not expect to take any flak for it. What is this? You gotta bring it harder than that my man!!

If you're not moving some big weights or doing some crazy lift, than I at least expect to see some effort! You could have done that in the middle of a yawn...

without the straps!

[Firehawk]

I know i coulda, i was just being cautious, sheesh.

[DarkLord]

I have been checking out powerlifting sites online and I think I will just stick to the plain old bodybuilding topics as I will admit now I have got a few things wrong that I've seen but hey! who's perfect!? Oops.

[threenorns]

lol - safer to stick to the known than venture into the unknown, eh? or was it that you were tempted...?>

[DarkLord]

lol, I do believe in good form and tend to go by the book, but in powerlifting obvioulsy you can venture further. I must read more on powerlifting. We are always learning....I hope.

[.V.]

DarkLord, stick to good form for now. Make your core strong before you start trying to do anything that your body isn't really ready for. Powerlifting may be the way to go to make that strong core, but you still have to use excellent form for a long time. Remember to look at the thickness of the backs on those guys who are using "loose form" on those heavy forms. A lot of preparation, power, and muscle behind those lifts. Firehawk, who is still cutting because he has a higher %BF than he wants has mountainous slabs of muscle hidden under there. I've seen some of his before and after pics and the muscle that he has now is HUGE compared to then. When he finishes cutting it down, then you'll see what I'm talking about. If you want to do a PL routine, then you should. Just keep your form good because your muscles will get strong fast - possibly faster than the rest of your body is ready for. When these PL's tell you how to get strong - it will work. Just be careful.

[gcs118]

To clear up any confusion...powerlifting is not synonymous with bad form or crazy ideas, lol that was the vibe I was getting.

[Firehawk]

Good point GCS. Welch thanks man. I'm not a beast but i hope when i get cut up i look good. I WANT to be a beast though lol.

Anyway, yeah powerlifting is all about technique and good form. But when you do a max attempt, whether you are bodybuilding or powerlifting, your form isn't going to be 100%. It's natural for your body to start recruiting muscles wherever it can to complete the task. Any strongman will tell you that one. It's your job to hold the form to the best of your ability.

[.V.]

Greg and Dave. Thanks for clearing that up, since I'm not a PL I can't explain it very well. My brief experience with PL was with very correct, strict PL form. Still correct, just different than BB form. And the PL form and training teaches the body to use those other muscles to get the lifts done.

The point I was trying to make is that someone who isn't experienced with it, doesn't really understand the nuances of the form, and sees how max lifts are done and jumps right in there without proper preparation and training is going to get hurt. And another thing not to forget - especially for a younger lifter. The muscles can get stronger than the body is ready for. If your muscle strength gains are too fast, exceeding the ability of the joints, ligaments, and tendons to keep up with them, injuries are going to happen.

I seriously believe that for strength gains, especially core strength PL is the way to go if your body can handle it. Do it, but do it smart - with proper guidance from an experienced PLer.

[Firehawk]

Rack Pull 405 x 7. Drop set after missing my max attempt of 565.

http://media.putfile.com/405-x-7-Rack-Pull


Will apologize now for the bit of ass crack at the end. LMAO!
See how low the bar is in relation to my knee? It might be more than 4 inches lower than my knee. I'll have to measure one of these days. I bounced the weight after the first rep and lost my balance a little bit, set them all down afte rthat lol.

Here's 525, my last warmup rep, so I thought, before attempting 565. Bar swung away from me on the left side. It always does that when my left hand is palm up. If it's palm down it dont do it. I think maybe im stronger on the left side or something.

http://media.putfile.com/525-Rack-Pull-11-8-05

[Dan C]

Originally Posted by Firehawk

Rack Pull 405 x 7. Drop set after missing my max attempt of 565.

http://media.putfile.com/405-x-7-Rack-Pull


Will apologize now for the bit of ass crack at the end. LMAO!
See how low the bar is in relation to my knee? It might be more than 4 inches lower than my knee. I'll have to measure one of these days. I bounced the weight after the first rep and lost my balance a little bit, set them all down afte rthat lol.

Here's 525, my last warmup rep, so I thought, before attempting 565. Bar swung away from me on the left side. It always does that when my left hand is palm up. If it's palm down it dont do it. I think maybe im stronger on the left side or something.

http://media.putfile.com/525-Rack-Pull-11-8-05

That's what I'm talking about!!! Nice work!

Hey, I notice you don't use straps anymore when you pull. Why not?

[Firehawk]

Anymore? I never did. Well i did about 3 yrs ago when i first started, but lol, i was a silly bodybuilder at that time

In powerlifting if you can't hold onto it, then you can't lift it.