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Originally Posted by Firehawk

In powerlifting if you can't hold onto it, then you can't lift it.

Hey man, I think that applies in BB too. That's why I use the NO, NO, NO method of training. It holds me back, but If I can't truly OWN the weight all by myself - it isn't really mine.

Even us puny little guys have to make our grip better.

Keep being an inspiration to the rest of us dude. Then one day when we can see all that muscle, you'll realize how good it looks and become a BB.

[Dan C]

Hey Welch, here's my idea of a NO, NO, NO method...

http://www6.mailordercentral.com/iro...number=PH-ICTR

Ivan Chakarov 200lb Bulgarian squatting 595lbs for a triple. No belt, no wraps and no spotters.

[.V.]

That's how I train. But, since I'm a little wuss...my weights are considerably less. But if I can't absolutely have the weight as my own - no hand off, no belts, no wraps, no spotter, no straps - it IS NOT my weight.

I know that you PLs and Strongman guys are using much more weight and the belts are probably a requirement for you after a certain point for safety reasons. But for me, right now, they are just not needed.

Now Dan, since you and Luke are into the thor's hammer and all that freaky stuff, I'm offering you a free training opportunity. I have about 4 full cords of hickory that needs split. Show up, I'll feed you and wont even charge you for the training opportunity.

Come on over.

[Firehawk]

Originally Posted by a_welch503

Hey man, I think that applies in BB too. That's why I use the NO, NO, NO method of training. It holds me back, but If I can't truly OWN the weight all by myself - it isn't really mine.

Even us puny little guys have to make our grip better.

Keep being an inspiration to the rest of us dude. Then one day when we can see all that muscle, you'll realize how good it looks and become a BB.

No, unfortunatelly it does not apply in bodybuilding.

[luke.w]

Originally Posted by a_welch503

That's how I train. But, since I'm a little wuss...my weights are considerably less. But if I can't absolutely have the weight as my own - no hand off, no belts, no wraps, no spotter, no straps - it IS NOT my weight.

I know that you PLs and Strongman guys are using much more weight and the belts are probably a requirement for you after a certain point for safety reasons. But for me, right now, they are just not needed.

I don't wear anything Welch, I don't even wear a belt when I compete, I don't wear one in training, so I don't wear one in a comp., I try as hard as possible to own the weight before competition, even if I did a max lift event if I can't lift it I can't lift it,(but I'll certaily try it) thats that.

[Dan C]

I hear you on the lifting aids but I think if you *train* without them, you'll never really *need* them, regardless of your discipline or how heavy you're lifting. I see no fault in using them for safety reasons during MAX attempts but other than that, I view them as more of a hinderance. When it comes to actual powerlifting gear however (suits & shirts), that stuff is just ridiculous, as in, it deserves to be ridiculed. When you're getting 100, 200 & 300lbs out of a bench shirt that's just stupid. That's more of a crutch, helping you do something you normally couldn't. And I don't care what the powerlifters say, those suits are NOT for safety!

If you lived within an hour from Baltimore, I'd probably take you up on that offer, if Luke didn't beat me to it.

[.V.]

Originally Posted by Firehawk

No, unfortunatelly it does not apply in bodybuilding.

Yes it does - for me. If the strength isn't mine, I won't claim it. The day I tried for 315 DL and failed, I could have gotten it with straps. What would have been the benefit to me in that - I'd have been lying to myself...I couldn't grip it, it wasn't mine.

Kind of like if I'm ever forced to go the anabolic steroid route with my MS treatment - even though it would only be for a month - I'd stop my training for that month. I'm natural. Cheating myself is cheating myself. I won't do it.

[Firehawk]

Originally Posted by Dan C

I hear you on the lifting aids but I think if you *train* without them, you'll never really *need* them, regardless of your discipline or how heavy you're lifting. I see no fault in using them for safety reasons during MAX attempts but other than that, I view them as more of a hinderance. When it comes to actual powerlifting gear however (suits & shirts), that stuff is just ridiculous, as in, it deserves to be ridiculed. When you're getting 100, 200 & 300lbs out of a bench shirt that's just stupid. That's more of a crutch, helping you do something you normally couldn't. And I don't care what the powerlifters say, those suits are NOT for safety!

If you lived within an hour from Baltimore, I'd probably take you up on that offer, if Luke didn't beat me to it.

Dan,

The intent of that equipment in the beginning was to protect lifters because heavy lifting will eventually beat you up. However, once people started realizing what the possibilities were, it turned into more than that. Unfortunately, to win competitions you have to use that stuff (unless you compete in raw meets but the market is much bigger for gear meets).

I do tend to agree with you though. I'd rather it be "the strongest man wins" but it's not. Although, lifting with that equipment is a whole other world than lifting raw. It requires different techique.

But I agree, I'd rather it all went away and the strongest man won. In powerlifting, there really isn't raw lifting anymore on a big scale. The way i feel about it is I never want to 'not know' what my raw maxes are. I want to get as strong as possible raw, but that's what I want personally. I will eventually compete with the equipment jsut because it's a different game and it's fun, but ego-wise you have to be careful. When someone asks you what you bench, and you tell them 500, they are automatically going to assume it's a raw bench ulness they are privy to powerlifting.

[Firehawk]

Exmgq is a very estabilshed powerlifter. It'd be nice to see what he thinks about this gear/no gear issue.

[luke.w]

What really is stupid is this stuff has found it's way into strongman, most strongman competitors and the "powers to be" are ex or still compete in PLing, I know in last years nationals and some other shows they allowed this stuff in the events like squat and deadlift, so if I or Dan wanted to go do a big show like nats. or pro/am. (dan has qualified for nats.) we'd be maybe the "lone rangers" here, and that sucks as I love to compete, but really the better I get, the more turned off I get by the pros,nats and those levels, were lucky enough to have a state chairman on "our" side, and all I want to do is his shows, (I hope he's doing this for awhile), if I ever quailfy for nats I may go when I'm older and peaking, but all the kids are using crap now so who knows what the future will hold in it, I just don't see any pride in wearing this stuff to lift if your a real strongman.

[Dan C]

Full armor powerlifting is about as big of a joke as pro bodybuilding. "May the best man win" means nothing in these competitions.

Hey Luke, you already qualified for the nationals... in Platinum level contests it's the 1st and 2nd place finishers.

[Firehawk]

Dan have you ever tried powerlifting equipment? It's not as simple as putting the gear on and lifting in it. It's apples and oranges to raw lifting.

It's a game, just like hockey, just like basketball. If you want to win you have to use it, plain and simple. That's why there's raw meets.

[.V.]

http://www.discussfitness.com/forums...5-post118.html

Remember this post Dave? My wife saw it and said, "nice legs".

Now think about the compliments you are gonna get when the rest of the muscles are visible. Yep, bodybuilders do get some compliments.

[Firehawk]

LOL well tell your wife i said thanks lol.

[Dan C]

You make it sound as if raw lifting was the ridiculous spin off of the original sport. It's the other way around. It's not just another game like hockey or basketball, it really is out-of-control.

I don't understand your mindset of "Unfortunately, to win competitions you have to use gear (unless you do a raw meet but the market is bigger for gear meets)"

First of all, who gives a sh*t about a bigger market? What is this market, who does it belong to and why do you care?

And what's the big deal about winning one of these contests (in one of the many federations), or to even compete in these contests?

Chasing this "bigger market" is very similar to the natural bodybuilder who dreams of going pro.