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Old 21-Dec-04, 09:54 PM   #1
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My Bench was/is/will always be (I think) Stuck


Yea, I know, there are a million of these boards.

Here's the deal:
My bench is 270. It was 250 a year ago. Before that, I had put on 100 pounds in two years. What happened?
It's not overtraining, i've taken breaks, started back fresh. As is, I only bench once a week (twice if u count close grip). I'm just frustrated...
I don't think it's what I'm eating. My squat and deadlift are both way up and still climbing.
I want to know if there are any subtle things I can do...
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Old 22-Dec-04, 08:48 AM   #2
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It sounds like you have gotten stale, and the weak point is not being addressed.
Mix it up, be sure you hit that weak spot, and you should see progress.

Supposedly, Lou Ferrigino never trained the same routine twice.
That approach obviously has some merit based on his success and the logical outcome of keeping the body from adjusting too easily and maximizing the possibility of hitting weaknesses.
And it is less boring. Listen to your body.

What other assistance are you doing for your bench press?

Where is the weak spot?
The start?
Do dumbbells or use a cambered ("notch") bar to have your hands below your chest. Not all gyms have one of these, but such a piece of equipment is of considerable utility, even if get for stretching and warming up. I liked it on decline bench press most.

The middle?
Maybe you need more anterior delt work with incline BP, dumbbell or barbell front raises, upright rows, or overhead press (always in front, never in back).
Another assistance movement of value is rack BP, starting with the barbell on the rack where the weak spot is.

The finish?
More tricpes work, maybe with another mmotion besides close grip. Pushdowns, kickbacks, barbell extensions ("skull crushers").

Another approach is changing your grip width.
With my long deadlifting arms, I have been training at max competition width allowed, index finger against the ring, for 15 years.
I am now coming in to the smallest finger against the ring as I noticed my wrists were not above my elbows, so some of the drive was outward, not upward. Simple geometry/mechanics/physics issue there.

You can also change the order of the pec/chest work.
Maybe start with something else besides bench press, such as dumbbell or machine flyes, then do bench press.

No one approach is sure to work for you or for everyone.
Experiment - it is part of the joy of training (at least for me.)
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Old 22-Dec-04, 11:00 AM   #3
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Being stuck in an exercise sucks, but nothing sucks as bad as being stuck on the bench. Like winder said, try to figure out what part of your lift you have problems with. Keep in mind that shoulders come into play at the bottom of the lift, and triceps at the top. Make sure you dont neglect them. A power rack is good for isolated the different parts of the bench.

Also a strong, wide back is a must for a good bench. It gives the body a good base for the lift. So make sure you dont neglect it.

You might also try a descedning routine, start with a 2 rep max then go down. If you've been constantly doing a progressive routine this might help.
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Old 01-Jan-05, 10:21 PM   #4
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Just like candyass says...find out the weak point and concentrate on that...bench depends on chest along with shoulders and triceps....start working those harder and you may find some way to keep climbing...I know my bench was stuck for years, and then I started actually eating like a pig and it is still climbing...

You may also want to get into some new exercises...look into switching it up, this may also get you over the hump...If you do free weights, start using machines for a few weeks....there should be a way to get past this point....the hardest part is finding out how....Good Luck
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Old 27-Feb-05, 03:10 PM   #6
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Just to update on this: I switched to a wider grip and by really biting into the bar with my grip, It feels easier. I'm moving up again, finally....
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Old 27-Feb-05, 03:32 PM   #7
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What was your grip before and what is it now?
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Old 28-Feb-05, 11:15 AM   #8
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Try push-ups and lots of them. As crazy as it may sound I put like 10 pounds on my bench when I did 300-400 push-ups a day and nothing else. That extra endurance helps, try it.
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My grip was thumbs length away from smooth. Now it's pinkies on the groove. (that might make sense to you). I've found that it puts the emphasis on my chest, rather than my arms. Plus there's less distance.
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My grip was thumbs length away from smooth. Now it's pinkies on the groove. (that might make sense to you). I've found that it puts the emphasis on my chest, rather than my arms. Plus there's less distance.
I keep the ring finger on the groove, most comfortable fit for me for some reason...
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Old 01-Mar-05, 09:13 PM   #11
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Is grip really that big of a deal? I just make sure my hands are by the ring things.
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Is grip really that big of a deal? I just make sure my hands are by the ring things.
Yes, your chest and triceps are hit differently depending on where you grip the bar.
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Old 02-Mar-05, 08:35 PM   #13
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whats stronger your chest or tri? Should u be able to do more weight with tri then chest or is it just what ur used to?
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Your chest is normally stronger, i'd imagine. Just because close grip is so much harder than conventional.

Update: Got 245 for 5 today. movin up
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Old 04-Mar-05, 06:34 PM   #15
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Your chest is normally stronger, i'd imagine. Just because close grip is so much harder than conventional.

Update: Got 245 for 5 today. movin up
I'll still catch you. Knowing you it wont take long for your bench to stall again .
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