New insights in powerlifting gear

[Firehawk]

Originally Posted by MTG35

Go read or reread what I said and report back if your still confused. There is nothing confusing about what I said.:

I'm also confused. Please clarify.

[MTG35]

Originally Posted by MTG35

I really have a less of a problem with the suit stuff. But when someone says they have respect for the hard work of juiced lifters I just can't really understand that at all. Are we forgetting that they are seriously harming their long term health? There is nothing to repect about that.

Does that clarify. Juiced as in AS or steriods. I thought "juiced" or "the juice" was universally known as steriods. I never said or implied that suits cause any health problems.

It's very hard to have a discussion when people don't have the respect to actually read your post and think about it before firing back about something you never even said.

[Firehawk]

My apologies...

So, I think you are talking about two different topics are you not?

1. Steroids are harmful to your health
2. Disrespecting the accomplishments of those who use steroids.

Or are you lumping them together?

Now then, Dark said "how does using equipment harm your health"? I thought that was the question.

[.V.]

[luke.w]

how is suits unhealthy? well it's common sense, when your in the bottom of a lift that your body can't normally do, and have a suit/shirt do the work, your OBVIOUSLY doing damage to yourself, and if there extra tight cutting off the circulation and all, don't tell me this is healthy. how many bigtime powerlifters do you that have hospital stays under their belts? every person I've met or read about has had 1/4 of their bodies stiched back together.
I know a chick that crushed her arm going for a world record bench at the arnold years ago, she needed imedaite surgury, she may have had a strong lockout? but she obviously couldn't handle the load at the bottom.


and to respect the drug pigs ha ha, this is great, and Welcher, you sir are the funniest, ladies and gents, welch is the guy who says pot smokers should die, pot and test are both illegal, both serve a medical purpose, both lead to harder drugs, but I guess that because we are talking about "super strength comic books gods" here it's okay right? who knows what hell Colemen has done, at that level lots of drugs need to be taken, and even recreational ones too (like coke)????? and Colmens a cop also (that really is funny) but hey he's champion? so lets just call average joe guys who may "work hard" as trucker ect. who may use a drug as a pick me up and to relax at home "scumbags", and let the fanboys get their pictures taken with the drug infested comic super-hero strength god???????

As a "real" lifter I can't stand these geeks, they show dishonor to the game and influence all the young guys, I will not respect those achievments.

I wonder if the pain that suits may cause to the body will lead to drug use? "IN SOME CASES"??????

[Dan C]

Originally Posted by a_welch503

And no, I give no more respect to the physician than I give to the lady that sweeps the floor...they both do thier job. In the gym - I give equal consideration to the one using a squat suit as the one without it - because they are both lifting.

That's BS. I do not believe that anyone can honestly say they hold a janitor's profession in the same regard as they do that of fireman, law enforcement or military personnel. This is not to knock the janitorial position, or to imply that the individual in law enforcement is a "better" person, but the difference in these positions are night and day, and it's completely natural to have more respect for one POSITION over another.

You've been throwing around the "they both still need to work hard" arguement in this thread, well the fireman had to work harder to get to where he is, and has to work HARDER everyday, than that of the janitor.

Just as the raw and natural lifter does.

[Dan C]

Originally Posted by Firehawk

From what I read, it sounds like you think that one does not have to work as hard if they are using equipment. Is that what you said?

That's not what I said but from what I've read it sounds like equipment makes it easier to lift any given amount of weight. Why make a lift easier? Why get artificial help in the "weakest spot"?

Originally Posted by Firehawk

The equipment helps in the weakest spot on lifts...

Originally Posted by F-Mac

the gear will help you in the bottom of the lift...In effect, it will move your sticking point up higher......which IMO is easier to work on.

Originally Posted by Bearbait

Getting 20 lbs out of a shirt would be pretty easy.

[Bearbait]

Dan and luke you guys have opened my eyes on how bad powerlifting is for me, I'm going back to doing curls in the power rack. If you guys have any tips on how I could be as cool as you two please let me know.

[DaRkAnGel]

Originally Posted by luke.w

how is suits unhealthy? well it's common sense, when your in the bottom of a lift that your body can't normally do, and have a suit/shirt do the work, your OBVIOUSLY doing damage to yourself, and if there extra tight cutting off the circulation and all, don't tell me this is healthy. how many bigtime powerlifters do you that have hospital stays under their belts? every person I've met or read about has had 1/4 of their bodies stiched back together.
I know a chick that crushed her arm going for a world record bench at the arnold years ago, she needed imedaite surgury, she may have had a strong lockout? but she obviously couldn't handle the load at the bottom.


and to respect the drug pigs ha ha, this is great, and Welcher, you sir are the funniest, ladies and gents, welch is the guy who says pot smokers should die, pot and test are both illegal, both serve a medical purpose, both lead to harder drugs, but I guess that because we are talking about "super strength comic books gods" here it's okay right? who knows what hell Colemen has done, at that level lots of drugs need to be taken, and even recreational ones too (like coke)????? and Colmens a cop also (that really is funny) but hey he's champion? so lets just call average joe guys who may "work hard" as trucker ect. who may use a drug as a pick me up and to relax at home "scumbags", and let the fanboys get their pictures taken with the drug infested comic super-hero strength god???????

As a "real" lifter I can't stand these geeks, they show dishonor to the game and influence all the young guys, I will not respect those achievments.

I wonder if the pain that suits may cause to the body will lead to drug use? "IN SOME CASES"??????

Since when are you really "squatting" the weight when you are yolking 800+ lbs? Is doing this bad for you?

I don't agree with your stance on roids at all, but I am not going to argue with you as that topic seems to yeild 100,000 armchair experts everytime.

[luke.w]

Originally Posted by DaRkAnGel

Since when are you really "squatting" the weight when you are yolking 800+ lbs? Is doing this bad for you?

I don't agree with your stance on roids at all, but I am not going to argue with you as that topic seems to yeild 100,000 armchair experts everytime.

What are you talking about "really squatting" when have I ever said that?
is it bad for me? I doubt it? because I train and work up to it, I build up to it, it's all me, if I'm not 100% I'm not throwing a ton of gear on to get the walk.

Oh, so I'm only an armchair expert because I've never used? and anyway I was only stating a point about most peoples "hippocrite" ideas on drugs in general. I don't care for any recreational drugs myself, and I don't want to be around the pot eithier. I drink afew once/twice on the weekend, but I really can't stand drunks, but alcochol doesn't make one become a "super-strength god" from what the experts say, it lowers test levels (which I may believe, but only the day after, the next day, the levels are right again, eithier that or it's just the dehydration) (but I don't want to turn this into a alcohol debate)

[Firehawk]

Suits don't help at all with standing there holding weight.

[luke.w]

Gear (knee wraps,belts ect.) do help people get stable with a heavy yoke, I don't believe it is even the same thing as using something to help actually "lift" the weight (like getting the low-end of the lift).

[Firehawk]

Belts, sure, not a suit.

[luke.w]

I'm not sure what your trying to defend here firehawk...........but I do remember (and I have these on tape my friend) several,several WSM competetiors getting in their extra tight super-suits before the yoke walk and car walk.

I'm not going to use wraps and belts for my stability in the walks, because the stability can be built inside, it takes training, and the results are a stronger body from never wearing that stuff, thats the damn goal guys.
If I'm hurt for some reason, I'm going to heal-up and build back up, I'm not going to shoot for a PR and try and hide the weakness.

[Dan C]

A lot of people here seem to take what Luke and I say as one in the same. We are two different men, and though we share a lot of the same ideals, we speak independently of one another. Address our arguements individually.

Originally Posted by Bearbait

Dan and luke you guys have opened my eyes on how bad powerlifting is for me, I'm going back to doing curls in the power rack. If you guys have any tips on how I could be as cool as you two please let me know.

Don't get it twisted, powerlifting is great (though I'm not a big fan of the bench, that's another discussion though), a lot of great training ideas have come from powerlifting circles, but a lot of bad things have also resulted in attempts to shortcut your way to a bigger total.

As for tips on being cool, the name "Bearbait" is a great place to start. :