New insights in powerlifting gear

[.V.]

So Dan, I disagree with you - and that makes it nonsense? I'd hardly call someone stupid for disagreeing. You are just making an ass of yourself.

Once again for the slow learners here (Dan), it's all OK in my opinion. If you want to lift totally raw - it's good, if you want to use PL equipment - it's still good. If you don't like it, stay out of it. The only stupid thing is putting down others who train differently than you do. Everyone here but a couple of people seem to understand - raw compares to raw, equipped compares to equipped, you don't compare raw to equipped. I just don't see what your point is other than to put others down.

It's interesting how you show your true colors when these threads go on. Being an idiot doesn't make you right.

I'll stop too, because I was taught, "never argue with an idiot or people may not be able to tell which one is which"...so I'll stop arguing with you. I wouldn't want any of it to rub off on me.

[luke.w]

hey Welch, I don't think you get it man........heres an example, how about your triathlon example, lets say they had a group that only did this with propellers, lets say it got to the point that this was the only thing 20years later? how would you feel if you couldn't compete and get good compition your way anymore?

this example is wear powerlifting (and strongman) is heading (watch the lastest strongman events, and you'll see every competitor wearing suits on deadlift and squat events).

Darkangel said it himself, thats wear it's heading, he even said "MOST" would prefer raw (if thats how he feels? who knows) (I also remember Firehawk saying the same thing, that HE wished it was raw, but unfortantely it's not part of the big market) DO YOU GET YET DUDE, if you or most PREFER it the way it was? WHY THE HELL DEFEND IT, AND ADD TO IT???????? it makes no freaken sense.........WHAT THE HELL.

[maverick]

Luke, I wonder if old school football players say the same thing about current football players and their "gear"? You have specially desgined pads, helmets with microphones and extra facial protection, gloves for the wide receivers, etc... Did these advancements give aid to players beyond their pure talent and ability? Yes. Did these things ruin the game? Absolutely not. It allows elite athletes to take their game to the next level.

[luke.w]

I don't think you can even compare protection with something that does the bottom end of a lift for you, the main objective here is human strength performance lifting a weight, not your suit doing the work at the bottom end, I mean how hard is this to understand, and I'm really sick of it, I'm in no position to keep at this on a computer wasting my day............beyond that I think you've missed my piont on the darkangel statement of "MOST" prefer raw, but they want to be part of the big market.

[Firehawk]

Originally Posted by luke.w

hey Welch, I don't think you get it man........heres an example, how about your triathlon example, lets say they had a group that only did this with propellers, lets say it got to the point that this was the only thing 20years later? how would you feel if you couldn't compete and get good compition your way anymore?

this example is wear powerlifting (and strongman) is heading (watch the lastest strongman events, and you'll see every competitor wearing suits on deadlift and squat events).

Darkangel said it himself, thats wear it's heading, he even said "MOST" would prefer raw (if thats how he feels? who knows) (I also remember Firehawk saying the same thing, that HE wished it was raw, but unfortantely it's not part of the big market) DO YOU GET YET DUDE, if you or most PREFER it the way it was? WHY THE HELL DEFEND IT, AND ADD TO IT???????? it makes no freaken sense.........WHAT THE HELL.

A propeller does all the work, the equipment does not do all the work for you. This you would know if you had any experience with it instead of speculating.

Most powerlifters (not that i'm speaking for all of them) do wish it was a raw competition or at least, put a limit on the equipment (which most feds have anyways) and may the strongest win. This does not mean that any lift is less respected.

Good morning Gentlemen:

I'd like to ask each and every one who has been active here to be kind. Attack the subject but never the character.

Thanks and have a great day!

[luke.w]

forget it firehawk



Maverick if you want to talk about lifters of the past...........lifters in the 70's and 80's made huge mistakes in my opinion, in order for most of them to continue lifting they need gear, it's not my fault they made mistakes?

[Firehawk]

LMAo. Yeah i said forget it like 10 threads ago.

[.V.]

Originally Posted by pierini

Good morning Gentlemen:

I'd like to ask each and every one who has been active here to be kind. Attack the subject but never the character.

Thanks and have a great day!

You are right sir. It is getting a little bit ridiculous. My only reason for coming to this thread was to encourage respect for other forms of the sport - if we don't choose to do one, or don't like it...fine. Just don't disrespect it.

I do my little puny weights the "No, No, No" way. That's just me and how I choose to do it. I use barbells and dumbells, again that's just me and how I do it. My squatting "equipment" consists of fruit of the loom briefs, jerzees running shorts or sweat pants and a hanes T-shirt most of the time.

Does this make me better than someone who likes a Rage X or metal gear (or what the heck ever they are called) shirt or suit...not a chance - just different.

Somebody else may prefer to flip tires, drag tractors, and carry fat women - are they better...no they are not - just different.

Someone else prefers to suit up in a full "squat suit". Are they better or worse? No, just different.

I still refuse to disrespect any of them because of the nature of their form of the iron sport being different from my way of doing it. I see too much of that and don't like it.

Maybe I see it differently because I don't compete. I do it for me and me only. I'm old and married so I don't do it for the ladies. I'm too weak to compete so I don't. Even in triathlon - I do it for me. It's a comptetition but I'm only racing myself whether entered in an event or doing it on my own.

Perhaps instead of being so worried about how others are doing it, we should all be concerned with doing what's right for us - and doing it for our own enjoyment of the sport. If that includes competition - good, then compete...against those who are like minded and will be using the same gear or completely raw.

[maverick]

Originally Posted by luke.w

I don't think you can even compare protection with something that does the bottom end of a lift for you, the main objective here is human strength performance lifting a weight, not your suit doing the work at the bottom end, I mean how hard is this to understand, and I'm really sick of it, I'm in no position to keep at this on a computer wasting my day............beyond that I think you've missed my piont on the darkangel statement of "MOST" prefer raw, but they want to be part of the big market.

Microphones in a helmet is protection? Wide receivers gloves are purely protection? I don't think so man. I hear what you're saying though about "most" wanting it to be without. I'm guessing the athletes today would not want to be without their current gear.

[MTG35]

Originally Posted by a_welch503

Perhaps instead of being so worried about how others are doing it, we should all be concerned with doing what's right for us - and doing it for our own enjoyment of the sport. If that includes competition - good, then compete...against those who are like minded and will be using the same gear or completely raw.

This is something I see as an issue. A big problem in society today is that everyone is just concerned with themselves. If everyone thought this way then the whole civil rights movement would have never got off the ground. Sometime, somewhere, someplace, someone needs to stand up for what they think is right not just for them but for others who are not educated or those yet to come.

Now I do realize we are talking about weightlifting but the principle applies. Some of the folks here are speaking up because they are heavily involved in this sport as a career or on a level higher than just a hobby. They don't just get to worry about what is best for them. They are looking out for the future of a sport heading into the toilet. Every sport needs someone to stand up and say no this is not in the best interest of our future. Someone needs to be looking at the big picture. Not everyone can afford the luxury of living in their own little bubble.