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Old 31-Aug-05, 03:14 PM   #1
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Powerlifting basics


I just had a few questions on things I don't know too much about with regards to powerlifting.

1) How does going to failure adversely affect strength gains?

2) Does anyone else feel like the beginnings of some of these PL routines are just busy work? The classic russian periodization has the first workout bein 6x2 at 80% 1RM. That seems like a cake walk and a waste of a workout to me. Someone tell me why I'm wrong.

3) Is it ever a common practice for PL's to cut fat as opposed to focusing solely on gains in order to make your lifts more impressive in a weight class?

4) What are some good PL routines for an experienced lifter, but inexperienced PL? Preferably ones that include bench press, squats, and deadlifts. I've already seen the russian one, and I kinda like it.
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Old 31-Aug-05, 03:32 PM   #2
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I just had a few questions on things I don't know too much about with regards to powerlifting.

1) How does going to failure adversely affect strength gains?

2) Does anyone else feel like the beginnings of some of these PL routines are just busy work? The classic russian periodization has the first workout bein 6x2 at 80% 1RM. That seems like a cake walk and a waste of a workout to me. Someone tell me why I'm wrong.

3) Is it ever a common practice for PL's to cut fat as opposed to focusing solely on gains in order to make your lifts more impressive in a weight class?

4) What are some good PL routines for an experienced lifter, but inexperienced PL? Preferably ones that include bench press, squats, and deadlifts. I've already seen the russian one, and I kinda like it.
I can answer number 2.


If one doesn’t start a phase at less than where he or she left of last time, chances are they will over train quickley. Asking the body to do too much too soon is a mistake. It needs time to adapt. Better to gradually work up to where you were, and then do a little more. The idea is to consolidate gains over a period of time (perodization) rather than ASAP approach. It works


I went through some journals a while back of those that started Max OT. I noticed very quickly that many either burned out or quit with injuries. Not saying Max OT isn’t a good program, but needs to be approached carefully. IMO perodization is the only way to go.


I especially notice the affect periodization has on aerobic gains. I simply would not be where I am as a rower without it.


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Old 31-Aug-05, 06:30 PM   #3
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I can answer number 2.


If one doesn’t start a phase at less than where he or she left of last time, chances are they will over train quickley. Asking the body to do too much too soon is a mistake. It needs time to adapt. Better to gradually work up to where you were, and then do a little more. The idea is to consolidate gains over a period of time (perodization) rather than ASAP approach. It works


I went through some journals a while back of those that started Max OT. I noticed very quickly that many either burned out or quit with injuries. Not saying Max OT isn’t a good program, but needs to be approached carefully. IMO perodization is the only way to go.


I especially notice the affect periodization has on aerobic gains. I simply would not be where I am as a rower without it.


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Don't forget the mental reason. You should start lower so that each week as you increase the weight, your mind gets a little stronger, and a little stronger, and a little stronger. If you start out with your maximum amount of weight, you've left nowhere to go. Lifting is 90% mental. If you think it's heavy, it will be. If you KNOW you'll get your lift in, then you will. If you feel like you can't do it before you start, then you won't.

Just my .02 on number 2

The answer to number 3 will be shown to you the first time you attend a real powerlifting meet that is either a state meet or nationals meet. The last nationals meet i went to, i swear to you i thought i was in the room with a bunch of off season bodybuilders. about 95% of everyone was 20% or less BF. Even most of the 308lb guys were lean.
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Old 01-Sep-05, 09:55 AM   #4
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2) Does anyone else feel like the beginnings of some of these PL routines are just busy work? The classic russian periodization has the first workout bein 6x2 at 80% 1RM. That seems like a cake walk and a waste of a workout to me. Someone tell me why I'm wrong.

3) Is it ever a common practice for PL's to cut fat as opposed to focusing solely on gains in order to make your lifts more impressive in a weight class?


I don't compete in the big-3, but I still train for as much power/strength as poissilbe.
I'm all about being as light as I can and getting as strong as I can (not neccessaraly cutting fat) but just being light, and it seems the stronger I get being light, the more solid and dense I look.


for #2 I don't follow that routine, but I do my own style of "busy work" and ending my training wanting more or knowing I can do more for the reason's in the above posts and also for your 3rd question (being lighter and strong) some types of strength require practice,practice,pratice, not training for the pump or burn or to feel the muscle being worked, theres a type of strength where one can become a "workhorse" walk into a gym and hit every compound movement in one session heavy,heavy,heavy, and do it all again acouple a days later, thats the type of strength I'm into.
My fastest gains where when I'd do a movement in a harder fashion,dropping the weight used and did the exercise alot and only adding small increments at a time (not even close to failure) before I knew it my lifts shot through the roof, this takes paitence of course, but well worth it, for me anyway.
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Bump on question 4. Particularly programs geared towards the bench press. Also, anyone websites that have a lot of info on powerlifting basics would be great too.
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awesome, thanks jaster. Should keep me busy for a while.
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