Pressurized Muscular Development

Mgkeeper · 06-Jan-08, 06:09 AM

I was reading about a recent patent:

http://www.freshpatents.com/Muscle-d...0060142128.php

Which claims that a method for muscle building "Pressurized Muscular Development" restricts blood flow to muscles, which reduces oxygenation of the muscles, which theoretically causes slow-twitch muscle fibers to become exhausted sooner, recruiting fast twitch fibers sooner, and retaining more lactic acid in the muscles, which leads to a more efficient workout.

Is this a crock, or is this a reasonable theory? Is this method in practice, and if so, does anybody here have any type of experience with it?

**Gooseneck** · 06-Jan-08, 07:25 AM

Seems to really go in the face of everything we know now.

Khaine · 06-Jan-08, 08:37 AM

Tourniquet training...? Kaatsu training...? Not really groundbreaking, is it... Old-school bbers were into this... It's really just an assisted/extreme variation of flexing the muscle throughout the entire set, in order to restrict blood flow, which in turn leads to lactate accumulation, increased fast-twitch recruitment and satelite cell activation...

Also, this probably shouldn't go in 'Strength Training'...

bodyshop20 · 06-Jan-08, 04:45 PM

Well i think the more blood a muscle recieves the better it performs causing more lactic acid.
So ill chance it and state and say "its a crock"

EliteLift · 07-Jan-08, 01:39 AM

cutting off the circulation to a muscle before working it seem like a retarted way to damage bloode vessils and possibly more, but who knows. It could be the hottest most effective program yet....

so would I put a tourniquets around my arms during curls for example, or is that just before the set begins??

westside24 · 07-Jan-08, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by EliteLift

so would I put a tourniquets around my arms during curls for example, or is that just before the set begins??

whats a tourniquet? youre not talkin about bicep bands and such are you?

Khaine · 07-Jan-08, 07:16 PM

^^^^

A tourniquet is a tight rubber sleeve...

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Originally Posted by EliteLift

cutting off the circulation to a muscle before working it seem like a retarted way to damage bloode vessils and possibly more, but who knows. It could be the hottest most effective program yet....

so would I put a tourniquets around my arms during curls for example, or is that just before the set begins??

Yea, throughout the set... And yea, I never liked the sound of the tourniquettes, but the SCIENCE (pay attention bodyshop) behind training while muscles are in an oxygen deprived state is fairly convincing... It's just that physically cutting the blood flow off by means of an outer force seems to have too much damage potential for my liking...

Again tho, it's not really new...

EliteLift · 08-Jan-08, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Khaine

^^^^

A tourniquet is a tight rubber sleeve...

Yea, throughout the set... And yea, I never liked the sound of the tourniquettes, but the SCIENCE (pay attention bodyshop) behind training while muscles are in an oxygen deprived state is fairly convincing... It's just that physically cutting the blood flow off by means of an outer force seems to have too much damage potential for my liking...

Again tho, it's not really new...

I agree, It sounds like an effective way to isolate fast twitch muscle fibers.

Potential dangers asside though, just think of how wierd one would look at the gym deliberatly cutting off bloodflow with tourniquets ect during a workout.

I know I would get some strange looks at my gym to say the least.

**LiftGirl** · 08-Jan-08, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Khaine

the SCIENCE (pay attention bodyshop) behind training while muscles are in an oxygen deprived state is fairly convincing

Just because it works in theory doesn't mean it works well in reality.

**Gooseneck** · 08-Jan-08, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by LiftGirl

Just because it works in theory doesn't mean it works well in reality.

Exactly. In theory I should be rich, in reality I am not.

bodyshop20 · 09-Jan-08, 07:26 AM

This just isnt the correct way to train (in my opinion)
Its like trying to get a car to go faster with its fuel lines clipped shut ?
Also if it dose turn out to work ill pay heed, but woo the day we all walk into the gym looking like BDSM freaks lol.
The image has just made me giggle and shake like a sh--ing dog.
Animal lecters all over the place lol

westside24 · 17-Jan-08, 04:28 PM

Freakin Hilarious!

Khaine · 17-Jan-08, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bodyshop20

This just isnt the correct way to train (in my opinion)
Its like trying to get a car to go faster with its fuel lines clipped shut ?

It's not the 'correct' way to train for me either... But it works... What the sceptics here seem unwilling to accept is that this isn't some new, overtheorzied 'miracle workout', but rather an old, tried and tested bber favourite that happens to have scientific support...

As for your analogy, no... You won't be moving heavy weights doing this, so that'd be inaccurate... I'd rather compare it to weighted plyo... Or high altitude training... Placing the body under stress in a disadvantageous situation in order to improve its performance in better conditions...

Regarding the 'theory' bit... At least the theory behind this is supported by results and science... The criticism is based on neither...

EliteLift · 17-Jan-08, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Khaine

It's not the 'correct' way to train for me either... But it works... What the sceptics here seem unwilling to accept is that this isn't some new, overtheorzied 'miracle workout', but rather an old, tried and tested bber favourite that happens to have scientific support...

As for your analogy, no... You won't be moving heavy weights doing this, so that'd be inaccurate... I'd rather compare it to weighted plyo... Or high altitude training... Placing the body under stress in a disadvantageous situation in order to improve its performance in better conditions...

Regarding the 'theory' bit... At least the theory behind this is supported by results and science... The criticism is based on neither...

well put, my thoughts exactly..

edit: perhaps a moderator will enlighten me on why some of my posts were deleted?

18-Jan-08, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by EliteLift

edit: perhaps a moderator will enlighten me on why some of my posts were deleted?

I do not know what posts you are referring to, however, this type of question is best handled via PM's rather than on the open board. For clarity please include when the post was made, which thread it was in, and the content. We will need this information to determine if your deletion was due to a rules violation (i.e. flaming, etc) or a systems glitch. Thank you for your cooperation.