What's your BMI? (just to see how f'd up the system is)

[DaRkAnGel]

Originally Posted by Firehawk

And that's healthy? I doubt it. lol

Haha actually its very unhealthy i was just saying that sometimes in certain cases there can be different sized hearts for increased musculature.

This is why he is known to have a gh gut(everything in him has increased from the size of his heart to his stomach, to his liver even i am sure).

[Titus]

Cough well im a little late..

Your Calculated BMI is: 17.8

[CF-OC_gal]

Hmmm maybe Mike and Ray Mentzer could chime in on this discussion. Opps... oh no they can't. I'll bet their BMI's were in the high risk range.

Cardiovascular training is the best defense against the risk of heart disease, not muscle mass. Even with that studies have shown that individuals have a limit to the benefits they can obtain due to their genetic predisposition to respond to aerobic conditioning. So does this mean more is better for everyone?

NO, but it doesn't mean you should sit around waiting for a heart attack either.

Originally Posted by Brat

Hmmm maybe Mike and Ray Mentzer could chime in on this discussion. Opps... oh no they can't.

Ouch! 123456789012345

[Lift2Live]

The Mentzer deaths were less due to their weight, more so a genetic family trait, if I remember correctly? Either way, the way they trained couldn't have helped I am sure, HIT is pretty hard on the system.

They both had inherited heart defects and from what I've read Mike also had some problems with substance abuse (alcohol and possibly drugs). Even though I'm not a fan of HIT I think it would be unfortunate to blame their style of training for their untimely deaths.

[DaRkAnGel]

Originally Posted by IronMan

They both had inherited heart defects and from what I've read Mike also had some problems with substance abuse (alcohol and possibly drugs). Even though I'm not a fan of HIT I think it would be unfortunate to blame their style of training for their untimely deaths.

Yea especially considering the volume on that routine is no where near the volume most bodybuilder's use.

[Titus]

Hmm these Mentzer guys sound like a legend here. I just read up on them they look very very very healthy to me and extemely built none the less.

I was looking at the tribute page and I don't understand what you guys mean by them training diffrently what kind of training did they do. I'd love to see results like those one day

So they lived around 50 years only..thats pretty sad.

(They seem to be rather philospophical.. )

[Lift2Live]

Originally Posted by Titus

I was looking at the tribute page and I don't understand what you guys mean by them training diffrently what kind of training did they do. I'd love to see results like those one day

(They seem to be rather philospophical.. )

Mike is known to be the person who brought the HIT (high intensity training) method of bodybuilding to the masses. After warming up, you are basically doing 1 working set, period. This set though, is supposed to be so intense, gut busting and past failure that (theoretically) it's all you need to do for that muscle to induce mass gains. There are variations but that's the basic principal. Mike was very philosophical also, yes. Dorian Yates is a proponent of HIT and he's done very well for himself.

[cursor]

I've read the following two books that directly address the subject:

High-Intensity Training the Mike Mentzer Way
Static Contraction Training

... and learned a ton. If you don't want to buy, you should at least check them out at the library.

Also consider:

http://www.baye.com/articles/power_factor_training.html
http://davedraper.com/forum/showflat...52/an/0/page/0
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/homegym/magrevpowfac.html

In Memory of Mike Mentzer

[CF-OC_gal]

My whole point was not how they (the Mentzer bros.) trained or what their family genetics was, just that BMI is a way of representing a statistic, risk factors. They were a good example of seemingly healthy muscular men who's untimely deaths probably fit the BMI equation.

You can laugh like hell that your BMI is too high yet you are muscular not obese yet statically you are in a higher risk zone. It's just numbers. I have a mother and a sister who have had breast cancer (and lived). Just because I have no lumps and I exercise more than they do does that mean that known breast cancer risk factors and recommendations are stupid and won't include me? I think not.

Good discussion though.

On the low end of the scale for BMI there are increased risks too, primarily osteoporosis (yes men get it too). I'm sure I can dig up some names of some runners, very fit, but with likely on the lower end of recommended BMIs who also suffered untimely deaths.

Jim Fixx come to mind....

[Titus]

Oh I see so where could I see a example workout. I did a really high intensity workout today, buts thats what it felt like for me. Im really intrested in this routine.

I just read something where they are finding the size of your waist is a better indicator than BMI for predicting heart attacks. Under 34" is very good (measured at the belly button) and over 40" is serious trouble.