Bought a Russian Saiga AK47.

[.V.]

Originally Posted by dandjdad

"What the hell are you doing owning a gun like that anyways?"

Because he can. Because I can. Because we want to. That's why. It's a reasonably priced, medium powered, accurate, dependable rifle. Capacity is variable. You can get magazines ranging from 5 to 100 rounds. Very nice to have if you want one. If you don't...don't get one.

[westside24]

Originally Posted by Gooseneck

He probably had an AR .223 with the 22 cal upper reciever conversion kit which allows you to shoot the cheaper and smaller caliber 22 shells. Great for just target shooting.

correct. it wasnt apart of the gun, it was something bought to convert the bullet size.

[dandjdad]

Originally Posted by dandjdad

"What the hell are you doing owning a gun like that anyways?"

Originally Posted by .V.

Because he can. Because I can. Because we want to. That's why...Very nice to have if you want one. If you don't...don't get one.

That is a complete copout of an answer. If you wanted, you could also own a strain of powdered anthrax, a trans fat producing machine, or a pornography empire; you could own any of these things "because you can" and "because you want to". But just because you "can" and "want to" own these things doesn't mean that ownership is necessary, or that it's the right thing to do for society.

Now I have no problem with somebody owning a handgun or even a single shot rifle. Because really, once you pop a bullet in an animal or individual's head, the odds are pretty good that that being is gonna be dead, right? And since there isn't differing degrees of dead, there's really no point in putting another ten rounds in that aforementioned animal or human being, is there? That is why I never understood the purpose of a private citizen owning a repeating shot rifle.

So please, without invoking your rights as a US citizen provide through the 2nd amendment rights (which is typically the only argument folks who own these weapons can make) can somebody tell me what exactly is the point of owning one of these things?

I'd also be curious to read what some of the posters from other countries on this board think of private US citizens owning weapons like these.

[Firehawk]

I want to own a Medieval Madness pinball machine, even though it's not necessary, because it is a beautiful pinball machine (arguably THEE most beautiful one ever created) and they're very rare.

Maybe he didn't buy the rifle for protection, maybe he's a collector who just thinks it's a beautiful piece of machinery.

[dandjdad]

Originally Posted by Firehawk

Maybe he didn't buy the rifle for protection, maybe he's a collector who just thinks it's a beautiful piece of machinery.

See, now that would be a somewhat legitimate answer.

[westside24]

Originally Posted by Firehawk

Maybe he didn't buy the rifle for protection, maybe he's a collector who just thinks it's a beautiful piece of machinery.

Damn! I was gonna say that!

I will also say, even though he does have a crazy automatic weapon used to kill people with, doesnt mean thats his intentions.
which you can say that for anyone but, being that he has no criminal record and he went thru the trouble of getting his gun registered and permits and all that, and maybe even education classes, I doubt he will be our next big school shooter...

[MAURER]

what if a bunch of people break into your home? or what if a couple soldiers are after you? in these cases, i want a gun like this to protect my life.

[dandjdad]

Originally Posted by MAURER

what if a bunch of people break into your home? or what if a couple soldiers are after you? in these cases, i want a gun like this to protect my life.

What if your daughter comes home late from a night out? What if you have an itchy trigger finger and blow her head off?

[MAURER]

Originally Posted by dandjdad

What if your daughter comes home late from a night out? What if you have an itchy trigger finger and blow her head off?

then you're an idiot i guess???

[dandjdad]

Originally Posted by MAURER

then you're an idiot i guess???

Ahhh, insults. The last resort of a simple mind. Okay, I'll play along.

Well, I'd guess I'm no more of an idiot that a paranoid guy like yourself who's convinced that a bunch of thugs or soldiers are likely to burst through your door at the drop of a hat. I'm no more of an idiot that a person who uses this fear as a reason to justify having a weapon of mass destruction in their home. I don't know where people like you live, but it sounds like a real bad neighborhood to me. Here's a tip--real estate is really, really cheap right now, especially for first time buyers. Maybe you should think about moving.

Here's another hypothesis...in the US, I bet a lot more innocent people get shot and killed in their own homes in accidental shootings this year alone than all the armies busting through all the doors in the next hundred years ever will. Unfortunately, I don't have stats to back it up...it's just a hunch.

So since you got in the fray, MAURER, and since nobody's really answered my queston yet, I have to ask you--what would you use an AK47 for? To shoot the black helicopters that are hovering above your house? Or would you rather just stock up your arsenal?

[westside24]

wow... id say thats a little extreme for both you guys. If we lived our lives thinking like that, then my 19 girlfriend would still have a curfew because her mommy is scared for her life, or I wouldnt drive to work every day because im afraid of accidents and bad weather... lets settle down about this. why cant everyone be like me, I wanna be like mike (i crack me up) no seriously, just try to keep an open mind about stuff guys.

[dandjdad]

Originally Posted by westside24

wow... id say thats a little extreme for both you guys. If we lived our lives thinking like that, then my 19 girlfriend would still have a curfew because her mommy is scared for her life, or I wouldnt drive to work every day because im afraid of accidents and bad weather... lets settle down about this. why cant everyone be like me, I wanna be like mike (i crack me up) no seriously, just try to keep an open mind about stuff guys.

Mike, I daresay you might've missed my main point; I'm not scared of life at all. In fact, I love life and openly embrace it. That's why the fact that any Tom, Dick or Harry can own an AK47 scares the living beejezus outta me.

So what's your opinion? Besides as a piece of a collection, what's a justifiable reason to own an AK47?

[Gooseneck]

Originally Posted by dandjdad

Mike, I daresay you might've missed my main point; I'm not scared of life at all. In fact, I love life and openly embrace it. That's why the fact that any Tom, Dick or Harry can own an AK47 scares the living beejezus outta me.

So what's your opinion? Besides as a piece of a collection, what's a justifiable reason to own an AK47?

Alright dude, let me see if I can paint this out for you so you can understand it. Everyone and their brothers know that an AK47 or SKS or AR are not designed to be "hunting" rifles, they are for combative operations, foreign and domestic. Now, will I see myself being in a combative situation resulting in the use of this gun, no. Do I own this gun for various reasons including male brevado, yes. I love guns, and to a gun guy, this is just another firearm. The history behind them, what they are used for, who they are generally used by (keep in mind these are the most abundent firearms in the world), the rush of shooting one, etc etc are a few of the reasons why I own one. Do these guns fall in the hands of people who shouldnt have them ?? Of course. Do thousands upon thousands of people still wear mullets and nappy dreadlocks, yes. Point is, just because you dont understand it doesnt mean its wrong, keep an open mind.

[Khaine]

I own a G3...



(This is a G3A3, mine is an earlier model, but the differences are minute)

Now, the reason I have one, is that I'm military (NG-ish, Norwegian solution)... What I really want is a G11, but I don't have the means to track down and purchase one of those (and ammo)...

As for why Goose would want to have an AK; well, they're traditionally very reliable (I've regrettably never fired one tho), which is what you want for your home defense...

If you're asking why he'd want to defend his home, by any means necessary, you're retarded...

I see absolutely no logic in accepting a handgun, but not a rifle... How about a Glock 18 with an expanded mag? Would that be alright...? Certainly, a single shot rifle or a handgun with a burst function is just as effective at taking your daughter's head off as any multi-shot weapon... Your logic is wavering all over the place...

The reason you don't have the statistics to back up your (frankly, ridiculous) claim about all these itchy trigger-finger incidents is that they don't exist... You will find that states with a high percentage of registered gun ownership tend to have lower a lower crime rate... People blowing away their neighbors on account of their mowing the lawn just isn't as common as you might think... Accidental gun deaths are a product of the number of guns situated in the country, rather than the right to bear arms...

As for you calling a rifle a weapon of mass destruction (bwhahahaha), your suggestion all law abiding citizens move to the same neighbourhood (*2), and your insistance that a wish for home protection and the right to bear arms aren't acceptable reasons to own a weapon, you have me convinced you're either a troll, or an impressionable 19-year old in his first year of social studies... Whichever it is, I doubt you're capable of putting together anything coherent enough to make me post again in this thread...

Shoot on sight, Goose...

Major Blahh and Peace

[dandjdad]

Originally Posted by Gooseneck

Alright dude, let me see if I can paint this out for you so you can understand it. Everyone and their brothers know that an AK47 or SKS or AR are not designed to be "hunting" rifles, they are for combative operations, foreign and domestic. Now, will I see myself being in a combative situation resulting in the use of this gun, no. Do I own this gun for various reasons including male brevado, yes. I love guns, and to a gun guy, this is just another firearm. The history behind them, what they are used for, who they are generally used by (keep in mind these are the most abundent firearms in the world), the rush of shooting one, etc etc are a few of the reasons why I own one. Do these guns fall in the hands of people who shouldnt have them ?? Of course. Do thousands upon thousands of people still wear mullets and nappy dreadlocks, yes. Point is, just because you dont understand it doesnt mean its wrong, keep an open mind.

I have an open mind, and that is a great explanation. That's all I was asking for.

Also, thank you for explaining it in a way I can understand. Me not read so good sometimes.