Bought a Russian Saiga AK47.

[dandjdad]

Originally Posted by maverick

dandjdad, these links you keep listing to people assassinated with guns is really helping you look logical. I understand you are trying to illicit a response and get people to think, but this is insinuating that unstable people weren't dangerous before they got a gun in their hands.

I didn't read all your posts, but Lennon was killed at point blank range. Seems to me the psycho could just as easily stabbed him had a gun been harder to get.

Good point about Chapman. I agree, he could have just as easily stabbed him to death.

As far as the "unstable" thing goes, the list of links I have planned for future release is not just about assasins and criminals. It's about the 7 y.o. who shot his 4 y.o. brother after finding his dad's handgun. It's about the father who thought his house was being broken into and shot the "intruder", only to discover it was his daughter, who was sneaking back into her room after sneaking out to a party. It's also about the guy who couldn't drill a hole through his wall, tried to create a hole by shooting his way through, and ended up plugging his wife instead. The list goes on and on. I've got enough material for another ten pages, if needed.

[westside24]

Originally Posted by dandjdad

I'll watch watching these reruns only if you start listening to Michael Savage and reading Ann Coulter.

LOL... no thanks man.

[westside24]

Originally Posted by dandjdad

See Hawk, this is exactly why I didn't want to answer westy's question...because I knew I'd be dragged into another debate. I've said multiple times that I'm sick of this thread, and I want out. Yet, you people keep dragging me back in. That's the only reason I avoided his question. Also, I knew that even if I provided completely valid suggestions, you'd want more and more and more information from me.

Dont lie dude. We are all educating ourselves, which is the purpose of a furm pretty much. I enjoy this.

Originally Posted by Gooseneck

There's no such thing as "E-shackles", so you can leave whenever you want. You keep posting because what others are saying is intriguing enough to respond to. Lets face it, you like this thread.

Exactly what I was thinking. I just wish there were more people on his side, so it could be like a real war. (im retarded I kno)

Originally Posted by dandjdad

Apparently. However, just to reiterate, I like it the same way a crack addict likes his crack...

Thus proving my point, theres no way out.


Oh yea the rosie odonnell crack, no she doesnt have a new show, I was just saying, Shes the most anti-gun person I could think of, and personally I think she a big annoying crabby ass waste of space (not just because of her gun views)

[dandjdad]

Originally Posted by westside24

Oh yea the rosie odonnell crack, no she doesnt have a new show, I was just saying, Shes the most anti-gun person I could think of, and personally I think she a big annoying crabby ass waste of space (not just because of her gun views)

I couldn't agree with you more.

[Dan C]

Originally Posted by Dan C

Gun laws affect people that obey the laws, not criminals.

It doesn't matter who says it, or how many times they say it; that doesn't make it any less true.

Your ideas of gun control are a joke. I've heard your rhetoric before and I'm sure I'll hear it again from some other poor misguided soul.

I'm glad I haven't wasted as much time as you have in this thread.

[dandjdad]

Originally Posted by Dan C

Your ideas of gun control are a joke. I've heard your rhetoric before and I'm sure I'll hear it again from some other poor misguided soul.

This is why the arguments of you gun nuts on this thread is so infuriating to me. If I were to post what Dan C posted above, there'd be a half a dozen posts popping up asking me to further explain myself.

So Dan C, I ask you...why are my ideas of gun control a joke? Please be sure to back up your statements with actual (and independent, ie non-NRA affiliated or funded) facts, statistics and/or studies--not just your opinion. Also, for extra credit, please include personal life experiences or newspaper articles as to why my ideas of gun control would be a joke. For extra EXTRA credit, tell me what Dan C's great idea for gun control would be, or if we should even bother having gun control at all. And for extra extra EXTRA credit, please show me evidence, studies et al to back up your statement "Gun laws affect people that obey the laws, not criminals."

You've got nothing, Dan. Absolutely nothing. You've brought zip to the table in this entire thread.

You're idea of critical analysis is "This sounds stupid to me (i.e., the brainwashed member of the NRA), so there's no way that would work."

Your idea for an argument as to why everyone should carry a gun is that "A gun would have saved (Zach) Sowers life." Well, how do you know? Were you there? Did you see how things went down? Did you even know Mr. Sowers, or his physical capabilities to handle a firearm, or his mental capacity to shoot somebody dead? Didn't think so.

Dan, if I were getting even one-tenth as destroyed in this thread as you are, I wouldn't bother posting anything additional. That's not to say I'm discouraging you to post; quite the contrary, in fact. You're making this far too easy for me.

Now go get your shinebox.

[Firehawk]

Originally Posted by dandjdad

So Dan C, I ask you...why are my ideas of gun control a joke? Please be sure to back up your statements with actual (and independent, ie non-NRA affiliated or funded) facts, statistics and/or studies

Oh you mean like you have?

[dandjdad]

Originally Posted by Firehawk

Oh you mean like you have?

I'm not saying I've proven a ton, but by myself, I've provided an infinite amount more proof than anybody else on this thread who was of the opposite viewpoint. And of everybody, you're probably the worst offender, Hawk. You so-called "articles" that you used as a basis to prove your point were beyond worthless.

What exactly were you trying to prove with those articles anyways? Give me some analysis. Enlighten me.

Perhaps you and Dan (if you are in fact different people) can combine efforts and come up with some evidence. Shouldn't take you guys more than a year or two.

[luke.w]

Originally Posted by Firehawk

I do'nt think anyone is claiming crime goes away completely, dude. I think the argument is that crime will go up if all guns were made illegal...

I wasn't even trying to challenge that thinking, you said no one would be stupid enough to pull a gun on someone who had a gun.

obviously that isn't true, gangbangers do drive-bys, snipers hit without someone expecting, (mob guys in the proibition did drive-bys, in the 90's in south philly they also had plenty of shootouts in public, and in new york the "columbo/bannano war".

I agree with you and Dan, even though I don't think I'd be comfortable carring or even know if I'd be ready to defend myself with a gun, but I agree because no matter what someone, somewhere will produce them.

[luke.w]

now that i think about it, those south philly guys used alot of car bombs, if there where no guns, then everyone would build bombs, or even still build guns.

[Firehawk]

Originally Posted by dandjdad

I'm not saying I've proven a ton, but by myself, I've provided an infinite amount more proof than anybody else on this thread who was of the opposite viewpoint. And of everybody, you're probably the worst offender, Hawk. You so-called "articles" that you used as a basis to prove your point were beyond worthless.

What exactly were you trying to prove with those articles anyways? Give me some analysis. Enlighten me.

Perhaps you and Dan (if you are in fact different people) can combine efforts and come up with some evidence. Shouldn't take you guys more than a year or two.

Why do you think you've proven more than the other side has proven?

[Firehawk]

Originally Posted by luke.w

I wasn't even trying to challenge that thinking, you said no one would be stupid enough to pull a gun on someone who had a gun.

obviously that isn't true, gangbangers do drive-bys, snipers hit without someone expecting, (mob guys in the proibition did drive-bys, in the 90's in south philly they also had plenty of shootouts in public, and in new york the "columbo/bannano war".

I agree with you and Dan, even though I don't think I'd be comfortable carring or even know if I'd be ready to defend myself with a gun, but I agree because no matter what someone, somewhere will produce them.

Yeah i think someone would still be dumb enough to pull a gun on you, but I also think it would be much less than today. Fear is power.

And yeah, I think if I shot someone, even if it were a burgler braeking into my home, I'd feel pretty guilty about it. But protection is protection. You don't know what the other guy who is invading your house is going to do, and you cant' take chances.

I mean i do'nt even want to go and shoot a deer lol.

[dandjdad]

Originally Posted by Firehawk

Why do you think you've proven more than the other side has proven?

Dan, I won't answer any more of your questions until you answer some of mine. And guess what? It's going to be a long while before I answer, because I'm positive you have no answers to anything I've asked you. That's precisely why you keep turning thing back around to me.

Yer caught out, dude. I'm not playing your little games anymore.

[Firehawk]

LMFAO. I think you just like to read your own type...

[dandjdad]

Originally Posted by Firehawk

LMFAO. I think you just like to read your own type...

Dude, you are a complete fraud. Answer anything.