Dmt

[westside24]

just off the top of my head im going to guess theres no discussion of drugs on this board which I respect. But im confused about DMT? from my understanding its a hormone produced in the pineal gland, especially during REM sleep, and most significantly right before death/ or near death experiences.

Im just confused, and I wondered if this would be considered a drug by you guys (which I admire every one of you, and value everyones opinions and advice so much)?

A little knowledge I learned about it, like I said its created by the brain every night, it is extremely halucinegenic, but apparently no side effects other than you could possible dullen the pineal glands ability to produce its own. but according to a few supposed researches theres no potential for addiction, or withdrawal, and it has helped cure heroin addicts from that addiction only experiencing the effects of dmt once. Its also been used by monks or some type of religious people to experience gods presence and stuff like that, and almost every animal creates it, and a few plants create strong forms of it. it is also classified as a schedule 1 drug? extremely illegal, for reasons that are obvious, the gov't does not want people running around halucinating all day every day. all this was brought on by the movie Southland Tales. <--confusing!

so my real question or point to this is, why when in H.S. and growing up remembering hearing the bad crowd of people talk about all the drugs and especially halucinegenics ive never heard anything about dmt?

Im sorry for this, it can be banned if you guys like, I just know how smart and good at finding resources you guys are. I have a curious mind and I need to know things lol. because I was raised by women. haha.

[westside24]

wow 28 views n nothing... not even a "hey watch it you jerk?"

haha! its ok I understand.

I never heard of it but your post did get me curious.

[westside24]

dmt is something created in the body, then... the pineal gland uses it to transfer it into seratonin. which are both halucinegetic

dmt is created by several different factors due to enviroment, and food intake and all that, and can also be found in a few plants

[Cort]

so my real question or point to this is, why when in H.S. and growing up remembering hearing the bad crowd of people talk about all the drugs and especially halucinegenics ive never heard anything about dmt?

I'd imagine that you didn't hear much about it in high school because it's pretty expensive and less readily available when compared to beer, pot, shrooms, and DXM (via cough medicine.) I know that some kids have the funding, but for the rest of them where are they going to pull $200 on any sort of regular basis for something that isn't particularly addictive?

Heck, even I couldn't afford that. I'd sooner spend the $200 on new computer parts or exercise equipment.

[Merrida]

Originally Posted by pierini

I never heard of it but your post did get me curious.

Totally ditto on that one. I'll be lined up behind Mr. P (he'll feel me goose him if he gets nasty),....

Ya got me on this one.

Of all the body's hormones I've heard of (personally or remotely) that just ain't one of 'em.

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[Merrida]

I'll admit up front I am posting out of a place of ignorance. But I've never heard of seratonin (at lest in and of itself) being a hallucinogenic agent. While drugs like X cause dumps of seratonin (among other chemicals) into the body, it doesn't provide any "hallucinogenic effect" but rather alters the sense of feeling and where-abouts, enhancing HOW one feels, magnifying it.

LSD, when it was used conservatively, did a little of the same thing, acting much like an "anti-inhibitor" of sorts. When it became abused, (not merely used), hallucinations followed.

Ketamine's another one that had such mixed reviews because of the occasions where it seemed to be "used" by humans safely, and other instances where death occured.

So after all my yammering, I still do not know what DMT is, what it does, where it comes from, how it works, or any legalities.

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[YesImAndys]

Originally Posted by pierini

I never heard of it but your post did get me curious.

PROLLY FIXING TO GET IN TROUBLE IN HERE....Buuuuut.......

Phalaris...DMT, is something brand new...Derived from one of the ayahuasca analog plants, it is a natural form of DMT and 5-meO-DMT, which can be grown by anyone outside the polar regions. It has no somatic side effects (nausea, vomiting), nor is it dependent for its extractions on complicated laboratory procedures, equipment or knowledge; hence it isn't necessary to rely upon a profit-oriented monopoly of dealers to obtain. It comes on fast, is too intense, and subsides rapidly: just like the way we live our lives. Since the plant resembles your front lawn, law banning it will be virtually unenforcable.

Smoking, rather than injection, is generally the preferred means of administration of DMT. Most of the black-market material appears in the form of the free base, which is more suitable for smoking than injection, and smoking is more economical--only about half as much DMT is needed to produce a given level of effect......

Also....someone who has attained a high level of spiritual accomplishment undergoes a permanent biochemical change in their body which results in their bodily fluids - saliva, sweat, blood and semen - becoming, well, entheogenic/empathogenic, for want of a better word.

Considering how closely related many hallucinogens are to chemicals within the human brain (DMT being just one of them) is it too much of a stretch of the imagination that a person who has undergone a major spiritual transformation might not start pumping out a powerful entheogenic/empathogenic compounds from his or her body?

Who knows, perhaps the real significance of the earliest shamans is that the tribal members came and literally drank their juices in order to achieve a state of consciousness in which all were fused for a few hours into one, single living, loving organism.

So here's a slightly messianic idea for all you aspiring shamans. Maybe the ultimate point of taking hallucinogens is to strive to awaken the dormant organ within (pineal gland?) which will, when activated, pump out a pheromonal psychedelic which will intoxicate everybody around you whether they like it or not.

If this really is an attainable goal, it will be interesting to see how the FDA copes with the problem. Instead of being in possession of a banned substance, one IS the banned substance!


AM I IN TROUBLE YET????????

[Merrida]

Well that was the exact same philosophy and theory behind the original, and accidental, use of LSD in therapeutic settings.

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[YesImAndys]

Originally Posted by Merrida

Well that was the exact same philosophy and theory behind the original, and accidental, use of LSD in therapeutic settings.

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Sure was.....

[YesImAndys]

DMT was first synthesized in 1931, and demonstrated to be hallucinogenic in 1956. It has been shown to be present in many plant genera (Acacia, Anandenanthera, Mimosa, Piptadenia, Virola) and is a major component of several hallucinogenic snuffs (cohoba, parica, yopo). It is also present in the intoxicating beverage "ayahuasca" made from Banisteriopsis caapi, and it may have oral effectiveness due to the presence of several naturally occuring inhibitors of catabolic deamination.

The molecule DMT (N,N-Dimethyltryptamine) is a psychoactive chemical that causes intense visions and can induce its users to quickly enter a completely different "environment" that some have likened to an alien or parallel universe. The transition from our world to theirs occurs with no cessation of consciousness or quality of awareness. In this environment, beings often appear who interact with the person who is using DMT. The beings appear to inhabit this parallel realm. The DMT experience has the feel of reality in terms of detail and potential for exploration. The creatures encountered are often identified as being alienlike or elflike. Some of the creatures appear to be three-dimensional. Others appear to lack depth.

DMT is also naturally produced in small quantities in the human brain, and it has been hypothesized that DMT is produced in the pineal gland in the brain. The pineal gland appears in the developing human fetus around 49 days after conception. Perhaps an embryo should not be considered human until DMT production commences. Note that "zygotic personhood" (the idea that a fertilized egg is a person) is a recent concept. For example, before 1869, the Catholic church believed that the embryo was not a person until it was 40 days old. Naturally occurring DMT may play a role in near-death experiences and alien-abduction experiences.


Is it possible that the reality exposed to humans by injecting DMT is in some sense a valid reality, on par with our normal reality? Our minds, which evolved to help us run from lions on the African savannas, might not be engineered to see these other realities under normal circumstances.

What is the guarantee that our minds are naturally designed to sense the "true reality"? Perhaps there is no guarantee. If this concept seems weird, consider a far-fetched example. Imagine a creature or phenomena that has been lurking among us since the dawn of evolution. If our ancient ancestors died every time they perceived the phenomena, evolution would favor creatures who did not perceive the creatures or phenomena. One might counter this argument by saying that our modern instruments, such as X-ray machines and cameras, should be able to make the creatures apparent to us, even if our unaided sensorium is not up to the task. Reasoning further, because our instruments have not made these realms apparent to us, the realms must not be real. However, perhaps our traditional instruments and theories are also not up to the task. Or perhaps our interpretation of the instruments' results is incomplete. Perhaps DMT is an instrument.

As a metaphor, consider infrared goggles. A person leans on a tree. At night, we don't see the person. Put the goggles on, and a new reality results -- a truer reality -- and we see the man. Similarly, is it possible that our brain is a filter, and the use of DMT is like slipping on infrared goggles, allowing us to perceive a valid reality that is inches away and all around us?

[.V.]

This is all very interesting. Now I've got some reading to do. Or maybe I'll take the easy way out and let Kimberly read and explain it to me.

Hey hunny, you got some 'splainin to do.

[YesImAndys]

Originally Posted by .V.

This is all very interesting. Now I've got some reading to do. Or maybe I'll take the easy way out and let Kimberly read and explain it to me.

Hey hunny, you got some 'splainin to do.

ALRIIIIIGHT DESI, ALRIIIIIGHT.....

I will 'splain it the EXACT same way YOU DO baby.....


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[Merrida]

Hey. V. Google. It's your friend.