Have you ever been knocked unconscious?

[EliteLift]

I figured it would make for some amusing storey's.

Ok, so here is one of my storey's involving me and unconsciousness..

Summer 2002, I was at a White Crane Gung Fu class sparing with other kids more or less my age. I was the kid that was always a bit to agressive for "sparing" always unintentionally hurting other people, That day was especially bad for this. The first kid I was paired up with ended up getting a broken nose, (aparrently your supposed to aim for the target on the padded forhead:confused Then I ended up splitting the second kids Lip pretty bad, (I remember him crying) And then after winding the 3rd much larger sparing partner one to many times my Coach said Tom!! This is enough. your to agressive to be sparing with the other kids. I felt bad as I did not mean to hurt the people, but still wanted to spare. so a asked him if their was another alternetive. He agreed to let me spare with the adult black belts.

This is when being overly agressive became a really bad idea lol. I probably lasted all of a minute before I moved with my entire body into the 20+ year old black belt guys jab, and was knocked out cold for a few solid minutes. He saw how I was sparing and felt like he could take it up a notch with me. personally i'm glad he did..i'v sinse learned alot lol.

Moral of storey, do not let your instincts take control during a routine light sparing session.

Anyways, I hope others will share a storey too:.

[Gooseneck]

Yep. Had 17 shots of liquor and THEN went to the club. Had words with some people and then got sucker punched outside. My cousin who looks like a smaller Brock Lesner pummeled his ass and it turned into a big brawl. We then went to two parties afterwards and I dont remember anything.

[.V.]

Interesting story. In my experience though, black belts wouldn't have hurt anyone in sparring to teach a lesson because they would have enough control and experience to deliver the lessons without damage. New brown belts though...

Most of us that have spent real time in the ring or on the mat have been KO'd at some point. I don't have a funny one though.

[Gooseneck]

Blackbelts and instructors inflict pain without injury in order to show how it feels. Same mentality as police officers or correctional officers. They must be pepper sprayed and tazed in order to see what kind of debilitating pain they'll be inflicting and to not get carried away with it.

[maverick]

I was wasted and tried to do a front handspring over a guardrail on the street that was about 3 feet off the ground. Needless to say, it didn't go as planned. I lost balance in mid-air (Jack Daniel's will do that) and did a nose dive into the pavement. I woke up a few seonds laters, covered in blood, being basically dragged home by my 2 friends.

I had two awful gashes around my left eye, bad enough that I wore bandages over them for weeks, pretending i got in a fight to make it less embarrassing. I'm actually pretty certain I had a concussion as I couldn't get out of bed for 2 days without throwing up. Stubborn me wouldn't go to a doctor. Well, at least I don't THINK there was permanent damage. Probably shouldn't have gone to sleep that night though. Its hard to tell the difference between extremely drunk and a consussion.

[Merrida]

V, I was going to agree with you completely, then I asked the Hubby if a black belt would ever do that when sparring with someone, and he said, "it depends what he was trying to teach him." So, that brings up the " deliverance of pain without injury " and I wonder if the black belt saw this kid being too aggressive. If you are knocked unconscious, you generally do not remember it. He could have been knocked for a loop and been dazed, but usually blows sufficient to cause unconsciousness,....the events right up TO that point aren't recalled.

I dunno. I still can't imagine a black belt doing it, personally, but I'm also no longer involved in martial arts, where as my Husband still is. I did ask him if he ever witnessed a black belt "knocking someone out," and he said, "no."

[.V.]

Originally Posted by Merrida

I dunno. I still can't imagine a black belt doing it,

Agreed. I can't either. Yeah, some pain to instill a powerful lesson, but never an injury or a KO in sparring. Actually remembering the KO...doubtful. A few seconds prior to the strike will almost always be a blank. That's how I evaluate LOC in accident victims when I work. I ask them, "do you remember the accident?", or "do you remember hitting your head?"

[bodyshop20]

as a black blt 2nd dan i would never attack just defend.
Last man to confront me lasted like 2 seconds and he was totally out with a throat strike.
I was defending my brother.

[Merrida]

Originally Posted by .V.

A few seconds prior to the strike will almost always be a blank. That's how I evaluate LOC in accident victims when I work. I ask them, "do you remember the accident?", or "do you remember hitting your head?"

That was kind of my point when I said people don't remember being knocked out, or what caused them to be knocked out. They may recall their behavior minutes prior, but the actual act which caused the unconsciousness is not recalled and that memory is lost and recollection vanquished.

My Husband has a few belts (two black, first degree, different disciplines), and that's why I asked him, and he made that comment. He's taken people out swiftly as well but never by a KO.

As for assessment, former EMT(I) here, and yes, part of the eval in asking those questions does help determine details of the incident.

I was a member of this board long before V, so I honestly don't know you V, new name to me,....so I don't know what you do, but it sounds like we could sure share some pretty interesting stories together based on your post! (But we may freak a few people out, eh?)

I've been knocked unconscious a few times in my life. The most recent, all I recall, the last thing I recall is getting into my car and going around a corner. I have no recollection of what caused me to become unconscious.

Given that I still think the OP was quite likely just dazed and a bit confounded, but in no way actually or literally knocked out.

[Firehawk]

V is A_welch.

[Merrida]

Originally Posted by Firehawk

V is A_welch.

No way, really!

Ahhh, okay, so then I DO know who V is. Thanks Fire!

[EliteLift]

Originally Posted by .V.

Agreed. I can't either. Yeah, some pain to instill a powerful lesson, but never an injury or a KO in sparring. Actually remembering the KO...doubtful. A few seconds prior to the strike will almost always be a blank. That's how I evaluate LOC in accident victims when I work. I ask them, "do you remember the accident?", or "do you remember hitting your head?"

i'm not going to argue the fact of if I remeber being knocked out. and black belts make mistakes just like any other person, its called being human.. they just don't make mistakes as often.

I recently (last week) was knocked unconsious again after just getting up out of bed I bumped a peice of my new bed frame witch was leaning againsed the wall it fell, hit me in the head just as I was getting up and knocked me unconsious. I regained consiousness after what seemed like only a few seconds with a pool of blood around my head. The funny thing is though I felt at least semi consious because I could feel what was happening but I could not see what was happening, and when my head hit the floor I totaly felt the impact, not in a painfull way more like falling asleep on a roler coaster.

I know you work with the EMR andy but I remember basicly everything prior and after both of these accidents......so assuming I am not lieing why would it be possible for me to remember the accident? and why shouldn't it?

[Merrida]

Andy's a paramedic, and I (for many years) was an EMT-I, and Andy and I are the ones that usually get called out when people get "knocked unconscious." Depending on the circumstances, if it's an auto accident, police, fire, and people like Andy and I.

So when we made our comments about not remember a KO, it's based on our years of experience in a similar field (Andy's far more trained than I am). I also worked in the ER of our hospital for a 2 year internship, so my comments, and probably Andy's are based on our experience, what we've learned, our education, and the years on the job having to assess situations,.......like LOC.

It honestly isn't a personal attack against your integrity, or what you believe you remember (only you know that, we can't crawl in your head). But diagnostically there are certain facts due to how the brain is wired.

PS: I've also been KO's a few times so I can speak from the inside out, and from the outside having to look and evaluate another in an emergency situation.

[EliteLift]

Originally Posted by Merrida

Andy's a paramedic, and I (for many years) was an EMT-I, and Andy and I are the ones that usually get called out when people get "knocked unconscious." Depending on the circumstances, if it's an auto accident, police, fire, and people like Andy and I.

So when we made our comments about not remember a KO, it's based on our years of experience in a similar field (Andy's far more trained than I am). I also worked in the ER of our hospital for a 2 year internship, so my comments, and probably Andy's are based on our experience, what we've learned, our education, and the years on the job having to assess situations,.......like LOC.

It honestly isn't a personal attack against your integrity, or what you believe you remember (only you know that, we can't crawl in your head). But diagnostically there are certain facts due to how the brain is wired.

PS: I've also been KO's a few times so I can speak from the inside out, and from the outside having to look and evaluate another in an emergency situation.

Hey Merrida. I know it was not a personal attack and I am not offended. everyone is entitled to there opinion.

I have my (level3) industrial first aid witch I know is only about half the information in the first level EMR course, but I more or less understand the terminology and procedures involving first aid. I am thinking of upgrading and becomming a paramedic in the future though..

I hear the hours are pretty good, that is if you can emotionally handle constant emergencys.

[Merrida]

Originally Posted by EliteLift

Hey Merrida. I know it was not a personal attack and I am not offended. everyone is entitled to there opinion.

I hear the hours are pretty good, that is if you can emotionally handle constant emergencys.

I am glad you understand we're just sharing our opinions and experience. Regardless of anything, I think a concern is safety first.

You'd have to ask Andy about the hours of a paramedic, but you've got a long way to go. Their training is far greater than what I went through to become an EMT-I, so........he'd know, he'd be the one to ask. But I know that back when I was doing it we worked in 48 hour shifts (48 on, 48 off), and those, to me, aren't good hours.

But, if you're single, don't have a relationship or family, you might find it exhilerating,.....if you're interested, try becoming a First Responder first, see what that's like, and move forward from there. You may have found a new niche for yourself.

You're obviously interested in "first aid," -- just be prepared for things to get heated. You also have to have the right temperment, attitude, ability to disengage while assessing, and of course,....you never know what those calls will show you.

We had training we went through before ever going out on calls, but were still in the ambulance,....and I know many-a-trainee turning green and our calls got extended, as it were.

Things may have changed, I don't know,....I can only share with you what things were like back when I did it.