alcohol & m1t

[threenorns]

did i say creatine was better? i did not.

what creatine's got going for it is you don't have to "use it smart" because a) there aren't any life-threatening side effects and b) it's LEGAL.

my opinion on m1t is the same as my opinion anabolics and illegal drugs in general: they're for ppl looking for the magic bullet and the quick fix and who don't want to put the time and effort in required to achieve their goals naturally.

it's kinda like cheating on your SAT.

[pmcgough]

so Ronnie Coleman doesnt put in time and effort?

[Lift2Live]

It has nothing to do with his effort. The absolute ONLY reason he is as big as he is, is due to steroids. He still has to do the work, but all of us do the work and many of us just as intensely as physically possible without juice. I don't think you are so naive to believe that he's got some special insight that has gotten him where he is.

[pmcgough]

he definitely is gifted genetically....

Originally Posted by threenorns

if one can achieve a certain result using steroids and other illegal compounds, then one can achieve it naturally with a bit more effort.

[pmcgough]

thats not true at all

[Gooseneck]

Originally Posted by pmcgough

thats not true at all

:confused: Are you disagreeing with yourself??

I believe he was commenting to the quote by threenorns in his previous post.

[threenorns]

(shrugs) don't know why it wouldn't be true - steroids can't put something there that doesn't already exist in potentia. if one doesn't have the potential for cobra-like lats, then steroids isn't going to put them there.

therefore, it's only logical that that same potential can be realized with sufficient application of effort.

[Cort]

Originally Posted by threenorns

(shrugs) don't know why it wouldn't be true - steroids can't put something there that doesn't already exist in potential.

Haven't you seen the numerous female users out there? Simply by messing with their hormones they up their "potential" to grow in ways they never would have otherwise. It is very much the same with men, just not on such a drastic scale because we have higher levels of test naturally.

I'm not advocating steroid use, but it can defenitely get pretty much anyone bigger than they ever would have naturally.

[Gooseneck]

Threenorns, here I have to disagree with you. The biggest factor is Cortisol. You will always be limited as to how big your muscular system can be due to the counter effects of cortisol. Anabolics do away with the hormone, thus making a perfect environment for tissue repair. Theoretically, you could get as big as a house with steroids and HARD WORK, whereas naturally you may bottom out after a certain period of time. Dont get me wrong, I understand your argument entirely, but it is simply not accurate.

[threenorns]

ah - i learn something new every day, lol!

i've never studied thoroughly up on the actual mechanics of steroid use because it's not something that will ever apply to me, so i just gave it a cursory glance at best.

now, it occurs to me that cortisol is there for a reason - wouldn't blocking it be somewhat akin to shutting off the safeties on the holodeck?

[pmcgough]

it would help, but the cortisol blockers out there arent as good as they say...taking high doses of all the phosphatidyl__________, magnolia bark, and lots of carbs, your cortisol will be as low as possible naturally......avoiding stressful situations is also quite beneficial

[threenorns]

avoiding stressful situations.... ROFLMGDAO!!!!!!!!!!!

my life is one long crisis after another. i live for the sound of impending disaster.

[extreme]

steroid use or not is down to the individual.most peeps have in their mind that using steroids is easy. its not:its a harder path whereby you graft and pull your bollox off. not a take pill and grow.your choice,life is full of them.choose the right one for you

[pmcgough]

you make no sense in half of your posts..and whats a bollox?