Anabolic Steroids

[threenorns]

and what about the horse piss pills they give post-menopausal women?

the bottom line is, *used responsibly*, i don't believe steroids are inherently evil or unhealthy, any more than marijuana is. it's the irresponsible use that gets all the press.

Buddy Bodybuilder drops dead of a heart attack and everyone points the finger at steroids, ignoring the two pounds of bacon, the 12-pack, and the pack of smokes he consumed daily for 20 years because hey, he's a bodybuilder and his workouts will compensate.

[candyass]

Bottom line, if you do your research carefully, and you know what you're doing, then steriods are not dangerous. The danger comes in the form of kids who don't take the time to educate themselves and think that steriods will be a magic bullet.

[Maclane]

3 to 10 grand a month ??
haha maybe for HGH but not for your average roids.
you can buy 100 tabs of Dbol for like $40 US
as with just about everything in life if you use them "in moderation" and know what your doing, with good anti-estrogens and reliable PCT i think steroid use is ok.

[threenorns]

Originally Posted by Maclane

haha maybe for HGH but not for your average roids.
you can buy 100 tabs of Dbol for like $40 US

tablets?

i'm still learning about all this, but so far, nobody's had much good to say about oral steroids. if the "good" stuff is $3K and dbols are $40 per hundred, i kinda gotta wonder about what kind of quality we're talking.

[DaRkAnGel]

Originally Posted by threenorns

tablets?

i'm still learning about all this, but so far, nobody's had much good to say about oral steroids. if the "good" stuff is $3K and dbols are $40 per hundred, i kinda gotta wonder about what kind of quality we're talking.

You don't have to sweat it, dbol is good stuff.

Usually if you are paying 40 bucks though you can be sure that its a fake.

[threenorns]

irrelevent to me - i have no intention of competing and i like my femininity too much to risk looking like a REAL drag queen, lol.

[Maxgain]

Id stay away from orals at least go natural if you are goigng to cycle and give your body a substance it produces so knows how to use it and metabolise safely.
prices being quoted are crazy most people could do a standard cycle including pct for under 200 euro.

[Todd]

Originally Posted by Axion

But in my view, if there is no reason why you need to take them, why do it? Look at people like mostmusslce or Todd. They look amazing and have done it all natural, be patient, work hard and there is no reason to use steroids.

People are lazy tho, they want results NOW...not in 5 or 10 or 15 years...they want to be big and strong now! What people fail to understand tho, is that's great that you want to be big now, or you can take juice and get huge in 5 months down the road....but where do you go from there?

Once you've gained in 5 months off juice what you would gain in 5 years training naturally, then where do you go from there? What most don't realize is that you have to keep taking the juice (cycling on and off) in order to keep up that size for the next year, 3 years, 5 years, 10 years, etc.. So, are you prepared to keep dolling out the money for continued cycles, or are you going to be ok once you do a few cycles and then stop, and lose a lot of the size you gained while "on" those cycles. A lot of recreational users have a hard time seeing themselves shrink back to their previous (before juiced) self, after they have finished using steroids. And if you don't like this idea, then be prepared to keep using them continuously...which realize, is where longterm side effects come into play.

Unless you are an elite amateur bodybuilder needing that competitive "edge" to be on a fair playing field or looking to turn pro, or you are at the very top of your sport, it is a waste to take steroids....both in health and money.

Just my opinion tho!

[Gooseneck]

Not entirely true Todd. If you're someone like Ronnie Coleman who has 10 times the muscle mass his body can withstand to maintain naturally then yes, but for someone wanting to gain a good 10-15 lbs., it is very easy to keep with proper dieting and training. And for the 3-5 grand, that is rediculous. I'm currently doing a cycle of Test Enanthate 400 mg per week for 12 weeks for under 200 bucks.

[Todd]

Originally Posted by Gooseneck

Not entirely true Todd. If you're someone like Ronnie Coleman who has 10 times the muscle mass his body can withstand to maintain naturally then yes, but for someone wanting to gain a good 10-15 lbs., it is very easy to keep with proper dieting and training.

Ok, but if you just want to gain an extra 10-15 pounds, one can very easily do that naturally anyways within 1-1 1/2 years time, even if your a seasoned lifter.

My question is why use the steroids to gain just a mere 10-15 pounds? And after this, do you continue to do more cycles to gain more? Or do you leave it as be and go "natural" after your initial 10-15 lb gain?

[threenorns]

the whole *point* of steroids is to progress beyond your natural limits.

if you've not reached them, then using steroids is really quite redundant. it's just searching for the magic bullet.

[PurePower]

[quote=threenorns]you might wanna double-check that one with powerlifters, purepower. none of the juiced ones i know, as FAR as i know, take them orally.


I dunno, I have used d-bol, along with others. I firmly believe that without it I would still be stuck benching under 450 lbs.

[Firehawk]

What areyou squatting and deadlifting PurePower? And, any video clips? Is 450 raw? that's a great raw bench.

[rookie]

the people that gain 20-30 pounds on cycle, lose about 10 pounds of water weight, but with proper post cycle treatment, and proper diet and training is still 15-20 pounds heavier than they were, so they do another cycle and gain a couple more pounds. You lose the water weight, but if training and dieting proper you will hold on to some gains. I plan on takin test as a 1st cycle, and 2nd cycle primo and test. im sure at the end of those two cycles ill be 200 pounds and ill probly only drop back down to 185-190. steroids arent that horrible for you if reasearched and done properly.

[PurePower]

Originally Posted by Firehawk

What areyou squatting and deadlifting PurePower? And, any video clips? Is 450 raw? that's a great raw bench.

My bench is 497.5 right now. I have failed at 500 several times, I guess just too intimidating.
Deadlift 605
Squat 495

No videos. The only thing I would have close to that are some pictures my girlfriend takes. She is photography major, so she is always snapping pics of me