Anabolic Steroids

[public]

i have searched the threads countlessly and found no definitive answer to teh question... Are anabolic steroids bad for you?

i understand that they give you several side effects, like acne, trouble sleeping, temper tantrums, reduced testicle size, and basically anything that comes from excess testosertone. There is also a chance of addiction, but it only comes from the results that you recieve. From what i udnerstand, if a person takes just 2 or 3 cycles, and in pill form, there should not be too many problems? So can sterioids be safe? i hear bodybuilders and fighters like phil baroni, mark coleman and of course arnold promoting their use and suggesting that they are not as bad as the media has them perceived. EVen several medical doctors tell me that depending on the body frame of a person, it can actually benefit them. So just tell me, are anabolic steriods anygood? and should a person use them?

[threenorns]

here's the scoop on steroids - and those of you listening will notice a distinct shift in my attitude, lol:

thus far, there have been NO documented deaths that have been directly attributed to steroid use. usually, it's been steroid use combined with one or another undetected medical problem or a risky lifestyle and bad choices.

there is a branch of medicine called "anti-aging medicine" that heavily features steroid therapy.

that being said, these are the criteria for proper steroid use:

1. you must be a highly experienced lifter, with at least 10 years' solid experience under your belt
2. you must have progressed as far as you can go naturally
3. you must have a legitimate reason for needing such enhancement - ie, you're a competitor or professional athlete.

unless you meet those criteria, save your money.

[maverick]

http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/steroids4.php

Enjoy

[Gooseneck]

Steroids are not as bad as society has been led to believe, as long as they are used under strict supervision and with sound advice. In my opinion, it is no worse than people getting breast enhancements, tummy tucks and stomach stapling, cosmetic plastic surgery for no real reason, etc. etc. The idea of injecting is what creates the bad stigma of them.

[threenorns]

i have a problem with listing cancer, liver failure, kidney, etc as side effects: steroids are used to *treat* those disorders.

changes in personality profile cannot be attributed to steroid use alone: the personality was inherently unstable to start.

here: the other side of the story http://www.laweekly.com/ink/05/36/features-kotler.php

“As used by most people, including athletes, the adverse effects of anabolic steroids appear to be minimal,” says Di Pasquale. “Steroids do not cause cancer. They don’t cause kidney failure. There have been thousands of steroid studies and about a hundred of those point out bad side effects. But if you look at those studies carefully, there’s no one-to-one correlation, and a one-to-one correlation is the hallmark of good science. Do anabolics produce ’roid rage? They produce an incredible amount of energy, but you need to think about the kind of people taking steroids. If really competitive and aggressive people start taking drugs that give them more energy, then common sense says that sooner or later you’re going to have some problems, but are steroids the problem or the fact that this person didn’t know how to control their anger long before the steroids came along?”

oh, a little FYI: pill form is very ineffective and injections are prohibitively expensive

[copperman]

I am curious, where can I find the information, or the site that Phil Baroni and Mark Coleman promote steroid use. If you could tell me I would apprectiate the info

[PurePower]

oh, a little FYI: pill form is very ineffective and injections are prohibitively expensive[/quote]


Why do yo think pill form in ineffective and how do you figure injections are terribly expensive?

[threenorns]

most figures i've seen quote stereoids at anywhere from 3 to 10 thousand a month.

[DaRkAnGel]

Originally Posted by public

i have searched the threads countlessly and found no definitive answer to teh question... Are anabolic steroids bad for you?

i understand that they give you several side effects, like acne, trouble sleeping, temper tantrums, reduced testicle size, and basically anything that comes from excess testosertone. There is also a chance of addiction, but it only comes from the results that you recieve. From what i udnerstand, if a person takes just 2 or 3 cycles, and in pill form, there should not be too many problems? So can sterioids be safe? i hear bodybuilders and fighters like phil baroni, mark coleman and of course arnold promoting their use and suggesting that they are not as bad as the media has them perceived. EVen several medical doctors tell me that depending on the body frame of a person, it can actually benefit them. So just tell me, are anabolic steriods anygood? and should a person use them?

Orals are a waste of your money and will **** up your liver.

Go site injection or don't bother.

Also, do research first. I am willing to bet you have not looked for very long.

[rookie]

3 to 10 grand a month, i dont know about that, only pro's do cycles that pricey. maybe the three thousand for an experienced aas user. you figure nolvadex, clomid, HCG, Test, and primobolan, or dbol for instance, all that together is by far under 1500 dollars and thats not a horrible cycle, im sure its not the perfect cycle but its just an example.

Steroids are not a magic potion that get you buff, you should be years into dieting and training and know your body really well. I know how tempting it is to start AAS, and it probly would get you that little ummf you need to get your ass in the gym every day, But you gotta think once you start, you will never want to stop and will be spending alot of money to be taking 2-3 cycles a year. just try to hold off a few more years, and acetate pills arent horrible for you if taken with milk thistle. Everyone at steroidology says the saying test is best, so if you were to take a cycle your first time take just test, because after your first cycle, you have to match that or do more on your next cycle! good luck buddy.

[Axion]

I just wanna add somthing in real quick. My dad is a nurse and as such knows a fair amount about the effects of medically prescribed steroids. One thing I've learned from him, and that I think is important for people to understand is that just because doctors somtimes use a substance to treat an ailment doesn't make that substance good for you. Many of the drugs they use as "medicine" have very negative side effects. The only reason they are prescreibed is that they side effects are hopefully less then the symptoms the drug is trying to address.

So what does this mean to you? Well steroids are not good for you, and they do have negative side effects. How severe are these? Honestly I don't know, it'd be nice if you could get honest medical advice on the issue. But in my view, if there is no reason why you need to take them, why do it? Look at people like mostmusslce or Todd. They look amazing and have done it all natural, be patient, work hard and there is no reason to use steroids.

[PurePower]

You can do a cycle for around 1000 dollars and expect 15-30 lbs of gain depending. Most oral steroids are hepatoxic, but are definately not a waste of time. Site injections are the waste of time.

[threenorns]

you might wanna double-check that one with powerlifters, purepower. none of the juiced ones i know, as FAR as i know, take them orally.

axion: when doctors want to say negative stuff, they call them steroids. when they want to say positive stuff, they call them hormones. testosterone IS a steroid - it is anabolic and it is androgenic. the other stuff doctors mean when they refer to "steroids" is corticosteroid, which is an anti-inflammatory - quite the cat of a different coat.

[maverick]

Originally Posted by threenorns

i have a problem with listing cancer, liver failure, kidney, etc as side effects: steroids are used to *treat* those disorders.

I think you are over-generalizing the steroid term here. We are discussing it in the context of (illegal) anabolic steroids, in its respective doses, geared towards muscle growth, not steroids in allergy medecine and other treatments.

[Maxgain]

I find it strange for a grown educated adult to be slated for taking steroids when from ages of 14 up there is no problem in giving women unnatural amounts of steroids in the form of the contraceptive pill a hardly life saving medical therapy.

What about those risks of breast cancer throbous formation etc.