Another creatine question.

[EliteLift]

I'v been mixing my creatine monohydrate with gatoraid/grape juice, but its not very soluble unless I leave it mixed it the fridge for a few days shaking it ocasionally at witch point it does seem to mix in and not settle at the bottom of the container.

so my qestion is wether or not doing this effects its effectivness in anyway, either positivly or negativly? or would it not make any difference at all?

I used to just get a 5g spoon full, put it in my mouth and then drink some juice seperatly, but I didn't like the gritty feel of it in my mouth and a small amount always tends to get stuck in my teeth/gums, witch is why I now pre mix it.

so am I hindering its effectivness in any way by doing this?

[TheWICKED]

most creatine supplements do that... i'd just stir it for a few minutes and have at it. If you still have an accumulation of goodness on the bottom, splash in some water and swig it down!

[westside24]

Originally Posted by EliteLift

so am I hindering its effectivness in any way by doing this?

Yes! it turns into creatinine... which does nothing for you...
Its a chemical waste molecule that is generated from muscle metabolism. Creatinine is produced from creatine, a molecule of major importance for energy production in muscles. Approximately 2% of the body's creatine is converted to creatinine every day. Creatinine is transported through the bloodstream to the kidneys. The kidneys filter out most of the creatinine and dispose of it in the urine. Obviously the more creatinine youre intentionally (but in your case are not aware of) putting in your body, the more work your kidneys have to deal with, meaning it can contribute to renal failure and such....


Creatine - Creatinine conversion can happen fairly quickly, within minutes... so oure supposed to drink it down when youre done messing with it.

This is why you will hear rumors about creatine being dangerous and what not.

[.V.]

Hey EL. Sorry, I've not been a very good DFer of late. Kinda busy with my life these days.

Your question and answer is so very simple. IF you are using CM (creatine monohydrate) simply get some dextrose and mix it like regular sugar (1 cup/gallon) and koolaid. Tastes like gatoraid and mixes with creatine perfectly. Is the perfect carrier for creatine. And makes it all totally effective. Add creatine right before use...not for storage.

If CEE (creatine ethyl ester) no dextrose carrier is needed. Just take and go...problem solved.

[westside24]

Yea but the CEE I use... you better use power/gatorade because the sh!! is so rancid... it tastes like straight chlorine. its unbearable without at least my O.N. mixed in... I dont know if all CEE is like that, but mine is... but its cheap and very effective so I cant complain.

[.V.]

Originally Posted by westside24

... but its cheap and very effective so I cant complain.

Ummm, cheap and effective?? Then don't complain. Actually though, compared to most supplements creatine is very inexpensive. If you are wanting to take it with something like you are doing...juice or whatever, you can go even cheaper by switching to CM instead of CEE and take it with dextrose. Really, dextrose koolaid is truly a very effective bodybuilding supplement all alone. With some creatine added...even better. Want to go even cheaper, then just make it with table sugar which will still work, but since table sugar is only half dextrose then it may only be half as effective.

The benefit of the CEE is that it doesn't have to have a carrier to be effective. You could easily use it with koolaid or whatever else you want. As far as certain juices converting it and taking it's muscle building value away...I cannot say because I've read both that it will and that it wont. Simple solution is to use something besides juice.

Personally, I get my CEE in capsules and take it with water. This is effective for me.

My recommendation is simply this. Try it with some water. Try it with some sucrose koolaid. Try it with some dextrose koolaid. After this personal experimentation, you will see for yourself what method is going to be best for you and most effective for your body.

Good luck to ya.

[westside24]

I wont complain! Because I complain too much as it is! ha.

Reason why I Chose CEE over CM was to reduce the high water retention... I dont want to be led on, thinking im really big and full of muscle, and then stop using CM just to be let down... Thats prolly a lame excuse I know.

I dont know if juice is bad or not either...

I was just telling elite to not store any creatine premixed..... if it sits in any solution for over a few minutes it converts to creatinine.... <--- Im pretty sure anyways.

[.V.]

Ummm, the water retention is why you take creatine. Not for appearance though.

To somewhat oversimplify things...
1. Take creatine.
2. Hold water.
3. This water is in the muscle cells.
4. The muscle cells are bigger.
5. These water filed muscles are stronger.
6. You can lift more weight.
7. You build more muscle from lifting heavier.

[westside24]

I didnt know/ realize water retention had anything to do with ATP... if thats the case, then were all better off buying plain ole CM

[.V.]

Originally Posted by westside24

then were all better off buying plain ole CM

Well, not all of us. Remember CM works best with a dextrose carrier. I'm on an anabolic diet so most days I don't eat the carbs to support using CM most effectively. If I want to use creatine, it's CEE or nothing.

Others eating a low carb diet for weight loss (for good or for bad, not gonna debate that today)...simply can't have the sugar needed postworkout to use CM effectively.

Sooo, for some of us...CEE is a good choice.

For those that can handle the sugar like I use when doing a very high carb fast gain diet when a little fat gain is acceptable then by all means...CM is probably the way to go.

[westside24]

not to get off topic like I always do, but what do you mean anabolic diet... how does anything else but eating meat make your diet more anabolic? and especially how would avoiding sugar and avoiding raising the insulin, be an anabolic diet...I know youll have a good answer, and I need to know haha.

Report is due tommorow by 4pm... or whenever is good for you.

[ixoyc]

What about this?
1. Rub a bunch of DMSO on skin
2. Rub creatine into the saturated skin

[.V.]

Hey Westside, the anabolic diet is basically a high fat, moderate (if you consider 35% of your calories moderate) protein diet with low carbs for 5 days. Then 24-36 hours of "cheating"...high fat, high carb eating.

It keeps one on a fat burning metabolism instead of a sugar burning metabolism. Allows one to get the insulin, testosterone, and growth hormone balanced in the body so they work together to KEEP you lean while ADDING muscle.

Weight gain is slower than with the "standard" sugar burning metabolism, you know the one where we want to spike insulin levels for 4 hours PWO, but fat gain is negligible and muscle gain is a little faster.

Why bust your ass to gain 5 or 10lbs in a year. Then cut it off and see that you managed to gain 2.5-5lbs of muscle at the end of it, lose half your muscle on the cut, and looked fat all year to get there?

The anabolic diet is allowed to allow you to make LEAN, STEADY, DRUG FREE, GAINS. Steroid like results as some claimed? Not a chance. But good, solid, results to be proud of....HELL YEAH!!.

I'll very briefly describe it for ya:
Bulking 16-25 calories/lb.
Cutting 10-15 calories/lb.

Macro profile:
M-F 60% fat, 35% protein, 5% carbs. (red meat, green veggies)
S-S Keep fat high, load up on carbs, don't worry about protein. (pizza, lasagna, beer)

See yourself looking pudgy...cut for a week or two. Since it's muscle sparing, you can have a dozen mini bulks and mini cuts a year if you want.

To learn all the details, I'd reccomend reading DiPisquale's book.

[westside24]

good sh!t V... I love the advice you give.

whats the book called?

I got the jist of what you are saying, but I like to be thorough when trying to understand things, and Im about due for a good read. yawmean?

[.V.]

I'm really not qualified to give advice. I can only tell you what has and what has not worked for me.

The book is called, "The Anabolic Diet."