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Old 16-Jun-03, 04:53 PM   #1
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Clenbuterol? Lee JB


I was doing some searches and found that you had recomended a site called liquidresearch.com for liquid clen. I went on the website and noticed a few things so i thought I would pick your brain on em'!

1. It said that it's not intended for personal use, strictly research. You actually take the stuff and it's o.k.?

2. How is liquid clen different or better than tablets? Is it more difficult to measure out and control?

3. Last but not least, did they have good stuff?

Thanks again! I read Steve's research on clenbuterol and it sounds like a real good tool I can use to cut to work hand in hand with diet and training

Thanks! Help is much appreciated

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Re: Clenbuterol? Lee JB


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I read Steve's research on clenbuterol and it sounds like a real good tool I can use to cut to work hand in hand with diet and training
not my research, anyway here´s some more.... -

CLENBUTEROL (Spiropent)

Is available in 10 - 20 mcg tablets or in the .016 mg/gram Ventapulmin Vet variety. Clenbuterol is known as a sympathomimetic. These hormones are taken to mimic adrenaline and noradrenaline in the human body. Clenbuterol is a selective beta-2 agonist that is used to stimulate the beta receptors in fat and muscle tissue in the body. Clenbuterol exhibits most of it's effects on the stimulation of both type 2 and 3 beta receptors. Clenbuterol is really one of bodybuilding's most misunderstood performance enhancement drugs. It is true that it is effective in helping to burn bodyfat but it is often been stated that clenbuterol is effective in causing anabolic gains and has in times even been compared to some of the weaker anabolic steroids. Books such as the World Anabolic Review, 1996, by P. Grunding and M. Bachmann state incorrectly that, "its effects, however, can by all means be compared to those of steroids. Similar to a combination of Winstrol Depot and Oxandrolone...." These statements are inaccurate and misleading to say the least. A lot of these claims as to the anabolic effects of clenbuterol are derived from studying the effects of clenbuterol on livestock. Clenbuterol is effective in increasing muscle mass and decreasing fat loss in animals.

The problem with the variation in anabolic effects between humans and livestock is that livestock have an abundance of the type 3 beta receptors whereas humans have little if any of the type 3 beta receptors. These beta-3 receptors increases insulin secretion and sensitivity, causing more glucose and amino acids to be transported into skeletal muscle thus causing the anabolic effects that we, humans, just aren't seeing. As Dan Duchaine stated in his Muscle Media article on clenbuterol, "In those animal research studies showing an anabolic effect from clenbuterol, it's my guess the anabolism happens specifically when the beta2 receptor stops working. At that point, the beta3 increases and causes the anabolic effect through insulin mechanisms." Since humans, again, have either very little or no beta-3 receptors, there is no chance of this anabolic effect. Just another of the studies where everyone assumed that what works in animals must work in humans. This is just simply not the case with clenbuterol.

Clenbuterol does work effectively as a fat burner though. It does this by slight increases in the body temperature. With each degree that the temperature in your body is raised from the use of clenbuterol, you will burn up approximately an extra 5% of maintenance calories. This makes it effective as a fat burner. Your body will fight this by cutting down on the amount of active thyroid in the body as well as through beta receptor down regulation which explains why you only have a limited effective period to take clenbuterol. While I am on the subject of beta receptor down regulation, I would like to dispose of another myth. This involves the two on/two off cycling theory that I believe was originated by Bill Phillips in the Anabolic Reference Guide and has somehow made it's was into every other steroid book since then including the WAR and Physical Enhancement with an Edge. The two on-two off theory simply will not work because of one main reason: the half life of clenbuterol. This 2-on/2-off idea was a THEORY ONLY, not by a doctor or scientist, and not based on specific knowledge of clenbuterol, but derived by imitation from other drug's with shorter half lives. Clenbuterol has been reported as having a half life of about 2 days, but that is not actually correct, since it has biphasic elimination, with the half-life of the rapid phase being about 10 hours, and the slower phase being several days. Supposedly, this is one of the reasons the FDA never approved clenbuterol as an anti-asthmatic drug...the FDA frowns on drugs with long half-lives if drugs with more normal half-lives are available. So with a 2-on/2-off cycle you never have time to get enough of the clenbuterol out of your system for this theory to be reasonable. In actuality, it probably hasn't even dropped to 50% of your peak concentration before you are taking the drug again. With this all taken into account, there is no reason to think that this cycling would significantly reduce the problem of receptor desensitization. A more reasonable approach would be either one week on, one week off, or alternately, two weeks on two weeks off. The two week cycle has the disadvantage of a "crash" period afterwards. This crash period can be helped with the use of ephedrine to lessen the lethargy that you will experience.

If you are interested in taking clenbuterol for anything other than fat loss then you might as well stay away from this compound. There is a lot of talk as to how clenbuterol compares to ephedrine as well. Most "experts" feel that clen gives a better bang for the buck than the ECA stack. It should be noted that clenbuterols results and effects are much shorter lived. They work through very similar mechanisms. Both products stimulate the beta-receptors but clenbuterol seems to be a more refined version, called a second generation beta-agonist drug, than ephedrine. Clenbuterol targets the proper receptors, being the beta-2 and 3 receptors than ephedrine more specifically which should in theory make clenbuterol more effective of a fat burner. Again, most of the so called "experts" say that clenbuterol is more effective than ephedrine. I, personally, get worse results with clen vs. the good old ECA stack. Clenbuterol also didn't blunt my hunger either and I ate more while taking it as well. I also seem to get much better effects out of cytomel as a fat burner as well. Even better than the ECA stack or clenbuterol. But, again, that is my personal opinion.

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80-140 mcgs. / day in split doses throughout the day. Anything over 140 mcg a day is overkill since the beta receptors can only take so much of a product and then more is just wasteful.
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Something else I found -

Clenbuterol is not a steroid hormone but its effect is similar
to a combination of winstol depot and oxandrolone.

Now the only problem is how to find OX....???

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I didn;t necessarily mean your ideas specifically just that you knew your s***! Thanks again for all the great information. I had read some previous posts that you had regarding thsi and was very impressed as to what you knew regarding this.

I'm still curious to know if Lee JB had any good results with the liquid form

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Clenbuterol does work effectively as a fat burner though. It does this by slight increases in the body temperature. With each degree that the temperature in your body is raised from the use of clenbuterol, you will burn up approximately an extra 5% of maintenance calories.
Isn't this primarily the same idea derived from products like Thermo Dynamix from EAS?

Steve: You mentioned briefly cytomel, can you give me a brief synaposis of this?
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Old 16-Jun-03, 05:20 PM   #5
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Hi just got round to this, great info Steve bro. DaLinkWent, I've had some seriously good results from this, but just have to be careful with it, had a few times it made me think "what am I doing taking this ****". Not had a palpitation before but it wasn't nice lol, but all the sides except being real hot and quite tired most the time went after 5 days. Again it aint not magic drink, but it does work wonders combined with the usual good diet and training, very anti catabolic as has been said. Dont worry about the research thing, it's illegal in some countries......so that explains that. Liquid form just absorbs a bit better obviously because it's a liquid and I found it easy to control the doses etc... thats about it bro, great stuff....just gotta watch out for yourself.
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just gotta watch out for yourself.
I appreciate all the info with this!

I am a little worried about taking it because I used to take hydroxycut w/ ephedra and got some palpitations from it so I quick discontinued it and threw it away fast. Palpatations isn't something permanent is it? I haven't really noticed it since I've been off it but you think i'll run into the same problems?

How do you measure out the liquid stuff? I am assuming an eye dropper works pretty well. Any chance it will still work if I keep the dosage low?

Sorry for all the questions but hey, I'm learnin!
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Old 16-Jun-03, 05:47 PM   #7
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Well, my advice was judge by how bad they were with the Hydrox, if they were real bad.... I wouldn't touch clen, but then again thats because I like to play it safe. Chances are they weren't serious palpitations, just minor ones...in which case I would run clen for 8 days, if you continue to get sides after that....well I say sides but I mean just the serious ones, sweating and being hot and tired are gonna be the case whatever. Your right on with the measuring idea, also it comes with a cap as well which is a premeasured amount when filled....although it does not tell you how much to take....so obviously you will need to look that up ... or ask. You would need to stick near enough to the rec. dosages as you possibly can, you could scrape by with just less, but then again the rec. doses are minimal in some peoples eyes. I've heard people boast they took double the amount, what they hoped to achieve by saying this I dont know, but I say stay on the lower doses and stay safe bro.
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Old 16-Jun-03, 06:16 PM   #9
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Steve: You mentioned briefly cytomel, can you give me a brief synaposis of this?

Here you go -

T-3 Cytomel (Liothyronine sodium)

Careful with this ****...I'd stay away from this stuff if I were you. It can **** up your thyroid for life.

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Thnaks again Steve for the great info and I think I'll stick with Clen and go easy on it and see how it plays out. Much appreciated brother!
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