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Old 31-Oct-02, 12:34 PM   #1
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I received some good info about Phosphagen XT (EAS) but I need personnel opinions about the following products.

Rate these products from (1) being bad to (10) being the best.
If you want to explain why then go right ahead.

1) Vitargo CGL (Nutrex Nutrition) **

2) V-12 (SAN Nutrition)

3) TRAC (MHP)

4) Phosphagen XT (EAS)

5) SWOLE (Syntrax Nutrition)


** Does anybody know anything about Vitargo. Quit a few creatine products in Germany are stating this is more affective then dextrose/carbs.
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Old 31-Oct-02, 01:34 PM   #2
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1. You are just starting. Throwing in creatine now won't do you much good because you won't understand how your body reacts to food and training alone.
2. Creatine is not a miracle and I am sick of you posting a gazillion threads about it.
3. Read my response to your last creatine question. These companies are HYPE. I will mix up some creatine XT for you and sell it to to ya for only $39.99/18 servings if you'd like. I still think you'll be throwing your money away. These companies buy their creatine in bulk from the SAME warehouse and add sugar to it and called it "ultra-absorption." JUNK.
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Old 31-Oct-02, 02:48 PM   #3
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MuscleTech makes Cell-Tech I have heard some stories that it really works but i dought it's because of the creatine, more then likely its the insulin they put in it. Its very expensive and has about 2 pages of side-effects. But if your looking for a creatine drink that works I hear it does. I think the powder is better, cheaper and easier to use
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Old 31-Oct-02, 03:33 PM   #4
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Oh lord.


They do not put insulin in a supplement. They put sugar in it, which may cause an insulin reaction. Possibly some alpha lipoic acid as well.
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Old 31-Oct-02, 04:11 PM   #5
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I just want to know what creatine products do you use? Please don't tell me that you use regular creatine and a scoop of sugar.

Do you have a degree in anything to speak with such confidence. Lets just say you do have knowledge in this field but you can't tell me that the products mentioned are not quality.

I know, I know...
Do it yourself kind of guy but if I buy regular creatine, taurine, argenine- where does the insulin spike come from.

It can come from:
Insulin products (Pinnacle, EAS)
Vitargo (Nutrex claimes this is 75% better then Sugar)
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Sugar (safeway)

Why use sugar if there is a better system out there? Can you tell me?
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Old 31-Oct-02, 04:36 PM   #6
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I just want to know what creatine products do you use? Please don't tell me that you use regular creatine and a scoop of sugar.
Optimum Nutrition (which is CreaPure, which most name brands use as their creatine base) and Wine Brewer's Corn Sugar (pure dextrose). Not table sugar...dextrose. Maltodextrin would also suffice.

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Do you have a degree in anything to speak with such confidence. Lets just say you do have knowledge in this field but you can't tell me that the products mentioned are not quality.
Ne'er did I mention the products to be of low quality. I will say with 100% authority that they are not worth the price. You are paying for a name brand, not the product. You don't have to trust me, I won't lose a wink of sleep if you pay too much for your supplements. For your reassurance I have two Bachelor's degrees of Science.

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I know, I know...
Do it yourself kind of guy but if I buy regular creatine, taurine, argenine- where does the insulin spike come from
Do I really need to produce a study to show that dextrose spikes your insulin levels? It happens. Just as well as ALA will increase the receptors around your myocites which will cause more uptake to your muscles. In all honesty, the products that contain ALA don't contain enough to make a difference.

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It can come from:
Insulin products (Pinnacle, EAS)
Vitargo (Nutrex claimes this is 75% better then Sugar)
OR
Sugar (safeway)
Insulin Products are :
Humulin or other Human Grade Insulin injecttions

Sugar is not quite the same as maltodextrin or dextrose. It will spike your insulin slightly less. Combine dextrose with a little frutose and your liver will overflow quicker which will induce a quick insulin spike. Dextrose/MaltoD can be found at most wine/beer DIY stores.

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Why use sugar if there is a better system out there? Can you tell me?
Just because a company says it's a better system, why does it automatically make it better? Most of the crap they put in there can be purchased far cheaper, even not in bulk! With all authority I can say you don't need a better delivery system than a high GI carb along with pure micronized creatine. ALA will make it a bit better, but I'm going to doubt that the 4-hydroxyisoleucine makes that much of a difference.

I can start a company tomorrow, post studies that have no relation to my product, and claim it's 72.5% better than productX, and I bet a lot of people would buy it up. It's a good bit and I bet the stock holders are loving it. Just educate yourself, the supplement industry exists for one reason. People have big hopes of getting huge but are too afraid to take steroids. Couple that with huge bodybuilders with $10k/year drug schedules and you have yourself a teenager's wet dream.

The cost/efficacy ratio really needs to be investigated with anything you purchase. Who has $120/month to spend on creatine? Not to mention the recommended "loading phase"...
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Old 31-Oct-02, 04:59 PM   #7
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I stand corrected Cell- Tech doesnt have insulin and had i thought about it I wouldnt have said it. It has 200mg's of alpha lipioc acid which supposedlly helps with insulin something or another.
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Why pay through your nose for a "better" system? I just take regular creatine with dextrose and ALA. That's it. End of story. Does the trick.

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thank you Lastdays - u saved me a lot of typing
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Old 12-Nov-02, 08:16 AM   #10
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Ok, so I apologize for bringing up an old thread. I'm new here and new to lifting (well, new to supplements and actually knowing what I'm doing). So I was wondering, is this true?

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1. You are just starting. Throwing in creatine now won't do you much good because you won't understand how your body reacts to food and training alone.
Dumb question. You wouldn't have said it if it wasn't true. My question is this; should I just can the idea of taking creatine when I DID just start lifting, like this week! I haven't taken it yet, just reading about it. I'm one of those impatient ones that wants everything now without the hard work and dedication that it takes to look amazing. Really, I just want a little help to get me started so that I don't get discouraged and quit.

Right now I'm taking nothing but a normal diatary supplement and a low-carb/high protein diet (but I'm adding more carbs now that I'm lifting as well.)

And.... thanks for this thread. It was very eye-opening.
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Old 12-Nov-02, 12:04 PM   #11
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First many many people will say things that arent true mostly out of lack of knowledge hehe I know I can be one of them but I think its lastdays that said that and what he ment I assume is that you wont know what it does for you if you dont lift without it. Lifting without it for awhile lets say maybe 2 months will give you some background on how your body works and then you wont be taking supplements blindly.

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Old 12-Nov-02, 12:26 PM   #12
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Whether or not you take creatine is so insignificant compared to other, more substantial factors. If you are not eating right, resting adequately, working out hard enough or with proper form, then your body-sculpting results will be less than satisfactory. Creatine represents a very minor boost when compared to these core elements. And like the core elements, if you don't understand how creatine works on your body, then taking it is a waste of time (and money). It's no magic potion.
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Old 12-Nov-02, 07:09 PM   #13
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Thank you. What you've said makes perfect sense. Since I just started I think I will save my money for now and see what I can do.

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