does milk make you fart?

[JBinKC]

Andreas Cahling is a "vegetarian" implies he either uses eggs or dairy or both to achieve his results. To my knowledge he is not a strict vegan.

Actually, I agree with you being a lacto/ovo vegetarian is probably the most effective way to eat as a strength athlete.

As for being milk being full of antibiotics. How would it be possible to make yogurt then?

I know it is a waste of my time to argue against a vegan and their agenda. Just make sure you get your B-12 supplements.

[Jakanden]

I kinda stopped reading this thread when it turned into war, so forgive me if this was asked and answered.

Does soy milk contain lactose? I am extremely lactose intollerant and i was wondering if i could drink soy milk? I dont really have a need for it, but its something i would like to try once.

[carcajou]

I can't comment on whether or not Mr. Cahling is a vegan or to what degree he practices vegetarianism because I don't know.

As for milk being full of antibiotics...it is COMMON knowledge among people in the industry and among people that have done any research on the industry. There are 80 antibiotics allowed in U.S. cow's milk...this was published YEARS ago in Newsweek.
Furthermore, there are 24.6 MILLION pounds of antibiotics fed to livestock annually in the U.S. for reasons OTHER than treating disease...that's 8 times more than the amount used to treat American PEOPLE for disease each year. Each antibiotic fights against different things...the bacteria introduced into dairy products to make yogourt are either unaffected or are introduced in such an amount as to overwhelm any opposition to the desired reaction.( My opinion is the former...but I am unsure. )

Your problem is that you aren't arguing "against a vegan and their agenda"...you are ARGUING DOCUMENTED FACTS.

As for your concern about B12...humans only need a few micrograms per day and the average human liver contains a 5 year supply. Furthermore, it can be obtained by consumption of aphanizomenon flos-aquae, which is an algae. B12 can also be obtained by human sexual excretions, so oral sex will get you all the supplementation that you require. I prefer females but that is a personal choice too. I would suggest that you 'go get some' so that you aren't so 'uptight'...if you aren't going to 'go get some', make valuable use of your time and read up on topics that you wish to discuss/dispute. In the future it may save you from looking like an idiot by jumping into an argument/discussion without knowing anything about the subject.

[carcajou]

Jakanden...soy milk does not contain lactose. Lactose is a 'milk sugar' produced by milk glands. Anything that contains it, got it from milk as an ingredient or it was extracted from milk to use as a an ingredient. Soy milk has MANY health benefits and is good for anything that cow's milk is traditionally used for...except maybe anything that curdles. Also it may take a little getting used to just as a stand alone drink. Great with cookies...and cereal...

Sorry about the war but...these facts are often met with that type of attitude. If someone does not want to believe something, especially when there is proof that supports it, the reaction is often volatile.

[Jakanden]

You got any suggestions for a good brand to try? How is the price in relation to regular milk?

[carcajou]

I live in Canada and there is a brand available here called SO NICE SOYGANIC. It is made with organic soy beans and has few additives. The price is $3.50 Canadian for 2 litres and that is about 40% more expensive than cow's milk. I am sure that there are differences in every market...so that depends on your location.

P.S. I have Bruce Lee's "The Tao of Jeet Kune Do"

Great book.

[Jakanden]

P.S. I have Bruce Lee's "The Tao of Jeet Kune Do"

I agree, it is an excellent book regarding a number of interesting subjects =)

[4banger]

If antibiotics in the milk is your major problem with it, it's preatty simple, buy low fat organic milk, it does not contain any antibiotics, pesticies or hormones...
I like antibiotics and hormones so I drink regular milk.

[carcajou]

Originally posted by 4banger
If antibiotics in the milk is your major problem with it, it's preatty simple, buy low fat organic milk, it does not contain any antibiotics, pesticies or hormones...

Good point, but I only mentioned antibiotics again because someone else brought it up. I consider ALL of the negatives that are associated with cow's milk to be serious health risks so...since it provides NOTHING to me that I can't get elsewhere from BETTER sources, that is why I don't consume it.

For any further interest in the negative things associated with consumption of cow's milk try:

milksucks.com

...and no that wasn't a joke- it is a real site.

[4banger]

There's no way to prove that milk is better than soy or that soy is better than milk, there will always be someone or a study that will proove the other wrong, you just have to belive in what you want and read stuff that supports your opinion and ignore the rest...
Some articles that "proove" milksucks.com wrong...
http://www.sumeria.net/health/petamilk.html
http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

[carcajou]

4banger...dude...for the record, I'll say once again that it is all a choice...but the first paragraph of the first site is absolutely ridiculous!!

"Sumeria's Response:This is not an argument against consuming milk and other dairy products at all. It is an indictment of modern agribusiness farming methods and corporate cheese making practices. The best cheeses contain no rennet and are made from whole, unpasteurized, unhomogenized, organic milk from free ranging, grass-fed cows."

There is no dispute of the facts that are stated...just some statements that ARE related to the topic but not addressing the issues. AND stating that the 'best cheeses...' doesn't say that MOST cheeses are made that way...because they are NOT.

"The growing of veal is no doubt a cruel process which is unnecessary on a properly run traditional farm. It is not a valid argument against milk consumption."

Yes it is cruel, and unnecessary on a 'properly run traditional farm', yet most veal does not come from that type of farm...and even the moron that authored the site in question doesn't say that it does. He is right about the validity of the milk consumption argument on this point in my estimation.

"By the way, the cow's "reason" for producing milk has nothing to do with whether or not it is a suitable food for humanity."

He is right about this too. It has nothing to do with the suitability of milk as a human food. The fact that milk IS LINKED to many human health problems DOES have something to do with its suitability...but he doesn't mention that either. Furthermore, the mention of the 'reason' that cows produce milk is to trigger a person's LOGIC. Logic should tell a person that the milk glands of a species are bio-engineered to meet the nutritional requirements of the offspring of that species. Do humans ever pump out their breast milk to feed to other species? I'm SURE you can see the logic now.

"Apple trees produce apples to make more apple trees, not to feed humanity. Are we then not to eat apples? Were we to apply PETA's idiotic reasoning to all species, we would soon starve to death."

This is as stupid a statement as exists. Evolution has 'dictated' that we consume vegetation. Our digestive tracts are the PROOF of that. The fact that much of society exists as omnivores is a matter of CHOICE, not of biological make up.

[carcajou]

The author is OBVIOUSLY affiliated with an organic milk producer to some degree.
-organic milk would be MUCH better than the mass produced milk
-but how much organic milk do YOU SEE at your grocery store?
-it still does NOT show any evidence of ANY kind that cow's milk is actually good for humans and the most boasted research referenced on the site is that of a man in the 1930's. THE 30's!!!

The site is absolutely FULL of 'suggestion' rather than stating any substantiated facts.

[carcajou]

The second site is merely a 'carbon copy' of the information that has been brought forth about the DAIRY INDUSTRY over the past couple of decades.

The 'dairy side' simply took the truth that was being revealed about them and 'counter accused' their competitor in the marketplace. Just like when a kid is accused of something...he immediately accuses his accuser of the same offense.
It matters not to the dairy industry that it is false...it only matters that some people believe it...reinforce the 'dairy believers' and reassure the 'dairy starting to doubters' and hopefully win half of the people that are undecided.

It's EASY to use your head on this one.

[4banger]

hehehehe, I made you type a lot!!!
Lets go back to subject, Yeah, I think milk makes you fart...

[carcajou]

Originally posted by 4banger
hehehehe, I made you type a lot!!!

AAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!

4banger......!!!

You played me like a fiddle!!!