Ephedra

[dsade]

There are already noises about Creatine - starting with the "have to protect the children" argument, which progresses to "ban it", as we are seeing with Prohormones.

It should also be noted that the WHO has recommended EXTREME regulations, even going as far as to suggest that vitamins be prescription (take a look at some of the European countries, with vitamin C having a maximum of 60mg per tablet...this is by law)

If you want to see how effective the propaganda machine is, just look at some of the typical replies. It is up to you to research anything you might put into your body, and take the necessary steps to make sure you are using things safely. If you are talking making sure that what the label says it actually what is in the product, then I am all for regulation. Other than that, don't try to take my right to use herbs/supplements just because some people are too lazy or stupid to research.

Bechler was the name of the baseball player, and the doctors that did the autopsy said that, at most, ephedrine played an extremely minor role in his death.

The way I see it, when someone is talking about usurping my freedom to use something responsibly, that imparts a benefit to me, then they better have a rock-solid, airtight, scientific case - or at least a perponderence of evidence. Otherwise,Congress, stay out of my business.

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[dsade]

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Does anyone else find it odd that the rally against Ephedrine didn't really start until Phen-Fen got pulled? I am not much of a conspiracy theorist, but how come they are suddenly trying to pull one of the most effective fat-burning supplements ever discovered - which hacks a great chunk out of drug company profits for weight management pills? Could it be that it is more effective than any current prescription med available?

Originally Posted by dsade

Could it be that it is more effective than any current prescription med available?

*cough**cough* Less profits for the script companies you say???

[EazyE26]

Originally Posted by dsade

There are already noises about Creatine - starting with the "have to protect the children" argument, which progresses to "ban it", as we are seeing with Prohormones.

It should also be noted that the WHO has recommended EXTREME regulations, even going as far as to suggest that vitamins be prescription (take a look at some of the European countries, with vitamin C having a maximum of 60mg per tablet...this is by law)

If you want to see how effective the propaganda machine is, just look at some of the typical replies. It is up to you to research anything you might put into your body, and take the necessary steps to make sure you are using things safely. If you are talking making sure that what the label says it actually what is in the product, then I am all for regulation. Other than that, don't try to take my right to use herbs/supplements just because some people are too lazy or stupid to research.

Bechler was the name of the baseball player, and the doctors that did the autopsy said that, at most, ephedrine played an extremely minor role in his death.

The way I see it, when someone is talking about usurping my freedom to use something responsibly, that imparts a benefit to me, then they better have a rock-solid, airtight, scientific case - or at least a perponderence of evidence. Otherwise,Congress, stay out of my business.

:::End of Rant::

I agree with this 100%. Supposedly, supplement manufacturers must already meet label claims or else be shut down by the FTC. This is great because we need less crooks in this business. But as far as congress goes, stay the **** out of my medicine chest!

[smith9561]

Originally Posted by chvyclbrty

Perhaps i'm paranoid, but after several athletes dropped dead because of the stuff i threw away the bottle i had. The problem i see with this and any other herbal supplement is there is no guideline to go by as far as dosage. No two plants are going to have the exact same amount of any chemical they produce (unless they're clones) so you never know if the standard dose you take is on the high side or the low side of things. Plus, since it's not regulated by the FDA there's no requirement for dosage amounts and i think some companies were stating a higher than nescesary amount in order to maximize their profit. Have studies proven it to be safe? Probably, but i'd be curious as to who funded these studies and whether the results have been replicated. If the pure ephedrine HCL was chemically derived and had a consistant dosage i'd be much more confident in taking it. At any rate, it's still for you to decide, but, i think there's much safer ways to lose weight than to increase your heart rate.

Yes, there are doses on the bottles, people think because it's an herb it's ok to excede it, the athletes that dropped dead took more and more the more their bodies adapted to the drug and anytime u take an upper (speed) and add work out or cardio to it, yes it can be deadly, the reason for the drug is to have energy ect...without a work out, it's not the drug, it's the abuse of it, read, follow directions and everything before taking anything.

Originally Posted by Kitara

Why hasn't alcohol been "pulled off the shelves" when it's been the culprit in a lot of deaths? This debate is just stupid. Nobody has all the facts so it's argued with a bunch of speculation and half-truths. What good can come of that?

Good call Kit! Overreaction by the press and public is very dangerous to any free people.

[4STRINGS]

Originally Posted by Kitara

Why hasn't alcohol been "pulled off the shelves" when it's been the culprit in a lot of deaths? This debate is just stupid. Nobody has all the facts so it's argued with a bunch of speculation and half-truths. What good can come of that?

i agree as well.....good point never thought of it like that

[grey99]

I started taking Xenadrine RFA-1 which contained 10mg of ephedrine per capsule, along with other ingredients such ast pantothenic acid, bitter orange, guarana and a bunch of other junk.

I put myself on a very strict diet, around 600-700 calories a day. High protein, low carb. Combined this with moderate excersize and taking 4 capsules a day, I effectivley lost about 70lbs in a little under 4 months.

I started out at a dangerously obese 289lbs to a slightly overweight 219lb.

I went off the pills, and just did regular excersize and maintained my weight quite easily, eating whatever I wanted, whenever I wanted. Didn't gain a pound. My metabolism had skyrocketed so high it was burning things off as I ate them.

After a few relationship problems, I slipped into a pretty deep depression, and I blew off my excersize. I sat around a lot, and still ate the same. I gained weight, but not nearly as much as weighed before. I only went up to 225lb.

So yeah, ephedrine did wonders for me, and sure I had some nervousness, felt jittery, etc.. But you gotta take into consideration that this stuff kicks your metabolism in the -ss and forces your body to work in overdrive. Anybody can see that it can be deadly if taken in excessive amounts.

It all boils down to the fact that it only takes a few people to ruin a good thing for the rest of us.

Just my 2 cents.

[Brewsky]

I think Ephedra is exellent for obese people who have strong hearts. It allows them to lose some weight without pounding their uncapable bodies with exercise. After they get into shape, then the pills should be used no longer.

[swanem]

Originally Posted by DaLinkWent

I threw away my ephedra bottle

Y'all can throw them away to me...

http://www.drumlib.com/

I take ephedrine cuz I want to...

[Brewsky]

Just wanted to add. I have put on quite a bit of bodyfat since the end of summer. I just orderd a ephedra-free fat burner (ON diet boost). I have heard the stories of how they are useless but I figured I would give it a fair shot. I had very good results on EAS Betalean with ephedra, but I decided that the pressure on my prostate was simply not worth it. I had the occasional fast heartbeat and so forth, but it was mainly the unwanted pressure on my prostate. Not only was I unrinating VERY frequently, but it also made it very difficult to acheive and maintain erections. After I stopped using the Betalean, as was back to normal.

So to summarize. Does ehpedra work? Yes, but it does come at a price.

[spinner]

Once it got int the black market with no regulation the problems will start.
I took it once in Holland where it's "ok" and took to much. It felt great till 2 days later I got sick and recovery took me 48 of vomiting feeling very tiered with no ability to sleep. Never ever again.

[westside24]

yea... I have a bad experience with stacker 3's but I wont discuss it here, because it was just stupidity on my part.

But ephedra is pretty damn harsh feeling