Gear question?

[Gohan]

Go to http://www.anabolicreview.com/vbulletin/index.php?s= and copy and paste your question on that web sight in the steroid questions forum and i'm sure you will get the answers you need. I personally know nothing of the 2 steroids you have. If i knew i would deffinately give you the info you need, instead of danceing around your question like alot of the other members who posted replies.

Good Luck.

[Jock]

Bro there isn't much steroid information on this board, but from what I've learnt a simple test-only cycle for your first go will yield good results.

I'd suggest 400mg/500mg of Test a week and maybe some D-bol at 20-30mg a day for the first 3/4 weeks to kick-start your cycle.

You MUST have these before you start:[list=1][*]Nolvadex[*]Clomid[*]ALA[*]Milk Thistle[/list=1]

The last two are necessary liver-protectors which you will need if you choose to use D-bol (Dianabol).

I'd suggest you look at this web-site if you need needles/syringes
www.getpinz.com

Use:
1.5" for Glute shots
1" for eveything else

The size gauge you use is up to you, the smaller the gauge number = the larger the needle, I'd suggest 22g-25g for the least amount of scar-tissue build-up.

Remeber diet and training is far more important than any gear.

Hope this helps, Jock

[ricohelms]

Thanks fellas,
I keep you all posted about what results I get.

Man, you gotta look around more bro. $450 for a little bit of test? Someone saw you as a newbie. That cycle (Mexican vet gear)shouldn't have cost you more than $100 to $125. Don't feel bad, most people get ripped off on their first cycle.

I do all my shots with a 25 ga pin, 1" (in the quads)or 1.5" (in the glute) long. I'll even use 5/8" pins for delt and tricep shots. The shots take a bit longer but it keeps the scar tissue to a minimum. One thing to do is to keep from moving the pin as you inject. This will cut down on the pain somewhat, but prop is very painful. You will come to enjoy it when you see yourself starting to grow!

You should divide the gear to get at least 2 shots per week. It keeps the test levels more constant and gains are better. You should consider doing one cc of depo with one cc of the prop (providing it is 50 mg/ml. If it is 100 mg/ml only use 1/2 cc) on Monday. Repeat again on Thursday. This will give you 500 mg of test per week. You will have a 10 week cycle from this.

Get some clomid asap. Two weeks after your last shot you will need 300 mg of clomid on day 1. On day 2 take 150 mg. Day 3 through 10 take 100 mg. And days 11 thorugh 21 take 50 mg. Otherwise your nuts will take too long to produce natural test and you will lose all of your gains.

If you feel signs of gyno (itching, soreness, puffiness in the nips) take 80 mg of nolvadex until the symptoms disappear, then take 20 mg per day until the end of your cycle.

One last thought -- like Jock said, eat, eat EAT! Get 300 grams of protein each day. Consume lots of good food, otherwise you will be very disappointed in your results.

Originally posted by Jock
Proviron bro, Proviron.

Jock

Proviron is good stuff Jock, but damn near impossible to find in the states.

[ricohelms]

Thanks for the advice. I will use it starting today. It has been very hard to find someone to talk to about this stuff. The problem that I have been running into is getting good gear. Really hard to get here. A friend is making a trip down to Mexico and going to get some other stuff for me. Man am I glad someone has a set of balls and will talk about this stuff.

Question?,
Do have to take anything for my liver?

Thanks again for advise.

[Lee J B]

Well you may as well take some milk thistle just to be sure, although your cycle isn't as potent to the liver as say.... abombs or other orals.

[ricohelms]

Why is it that you guys from the U.K. are the only ones that respond?

Thanks fellas

[Lee J B]

Np ..... good luck, you'll need it

[Jock]

Good advice lads.

Jock

Hey rico, its all good. I'm from the US and I know how tough it can be. Life gets in the way sometimes and can't always make it on the board. Your questions will be answered, just gotta be patient.

Test isn't so much bad for the liver as it is rough on your cholesterol count. Your LDL will go up and your HDL will go down. Not a good combo so increase your intake of fiber, watch your saturated fats, and you might want to add some lecithin to your supplement regime.

[ricohelms]

ironman, no harm intended. I got hit with a bunch of do more research answers from the stateside guys and the U.K. fellas were coming through with answers and good advice.

Trust me I am all american!!! and very proud of it.

Unfortunately most stateside guys look at gear use as "cheating" or doing something wrong. Gear in the UK isn't a big "crime" like it is in the states. Blame the politicians and lawyers for that one. Just my opinion.

[ricohelms]

It is cheating but so is drinking protein shakes in my opinion. If we were all blessed with great genetics then we would not need "the juice".

Is my urine supposed to be so yellow even if I am drinking tons of water??

[Jock]

I was surprised at the serious nature of the U.S government's stance against the use of steroids, in my opinion there are far more harder drugs being used and distributed in the world.

Have a look at this thread: http://www.steroidology.com/forum/sh...&threadid=8259

Jock