General Statement about Steroids

[Conan]

I have done more cycles than anyone i know, i have used more types of enhancing agents that anyone i know.

Hell i think i have been on one big cycle since 1996

I am 24 Years old, my first AAS experience was at 15.
I was a moderator at a very popular Steroid Discussion Board
I know what i am taking about, IronMan can verify that.


Here is what i have learned, KEEP IN MIND WE ARE ALL DIFFERANT AND REACT DIFFERANTLY TO DIFFERANT SUBSTANCES

I will only use the following from now on, then i will give the reasons

Any form of TESTOSTERONE, except suspension.

Here are the reasons why

1) It is relatively cheap, compared to other popular substances
ie Deca, Winny, Anavar, Primo

2) The sides are very perdictable.

3) Since the sides are predicatable the are also very managable

4) There are many different types of esters to complement different training, and lifestyles
ie, Test prop, short half life ( frequent injections )
Test cyp, enanthate, less frequent injections are required

5) It is not a 17aa, ( meaning it doesnt pass through the liver multiple times, like an oral ( dbol, winny )

6) It is already produced in the body already.

7) It is very very effective

8) It can be used for both Bulking and Cutting
you are going to say, bull**** Conan, we all know that Test bloats you up!!! Well hold that thought

9) It always works, Few fakes ( it is so inexpensive, it is not profitable to fake)

10) It is very easy to obtain, as it is so popular

11) You really cant take to much, it is effective (general statement)
Test cyp for example
500mg per week
i have taken up to 3g per week that is 3000mg (alot of oil )


Now about the sides and why it is used for bulking or cutting
all the sides are very easy to curtail, as the majority of them come from the conversion of the test to estrogen

There is an anti-aromatase. Notice didn’t say anti estrogen
That will block most of the conversion, it is called Arimadex. It is not cheap but it goes a long way, this cuts out the bloating, it also prevents the chance of Gyno

Other possible sides
1) Hair loss due to DHT conversion (go do vitamin store get BIOTIN (it is a vitamin/mineral) very cheap, you need 1000mg per day...This really works like a charm TRUST ME

2) Acne, some people don’t get this at all, using Arimadex will help
all you need get a loofa and a good NATURAL body scrub and that will do the trick again TRUST ME on this

3) Temper... well not a problem unless you over do it on dosage
and this is highly overrated


Questions, Comments, Arguments?????????????

[Lee J B]

I have a few , but first of all thanks for posting this , it was very useful i think it answers a fair amount of questions in itself. My question is really this .... HOW and WHY on earth did you do them at 15 ? was your first cycle at this age sucessful ? what was the cycle? and I guess did you manage to control the sides even at that age , when for example most 15 year olds have a lot of acne anyway so that could of been a problem , i dont really know I am just interested thats all .. I have never really heard of someone as young as 15 taking them , but I can fully understand why you would want to at 15 , I know I want the steroid route but everyone tells me to wait , well I guess I should , I'll just bide my time

I can vouch for everything he says. He does know his stuff. As for suspension, the reason he doesn't recommend it is that after two weeks of daily injections you get to the point where you can't stand the pain of it.

Lee, you are smart to wait. Get all you can naturally before you use. This way you will get the most out of any cycle you choose.

[Steve]

Got a question, Conan.

Have you ever tried spotinjecting? If you had, did it work? I have read so many contradicting reports on this...some say it works, other don't. I figured if it worked, many bodybuilders would have huge asses, then again, many bodybuilders DO have huge asses!

Confusing isssue, isn't it?

Steve

[galileo]

Good info and exactly what I feel in many ways. Although I'd add that I think EQ (real EQ) is a worthwhile drug as well. The problem is that a lot of EQ now has been lab tested and it's just a weak enanthate.

I didn't know about the biotin, but I'll keep it in mind if I ever decide to go for it. Thanks.

If you don't like pain, prop is not the way to go. It's mainly in a BA and you have to inject EOD because of the ester. Ick!

"Test is the Best"

[BD Chemo]

Originally posted by galileo
If you don't like pain, prop is not the way to go. It's mainly in a BA and you have to inject EOD because of the ester. Ick!

"Test is the Best"

For years it has been the standard to use BA as a bacteriostatic agent (notice I did not say anti-bacterial) and solvent. The problem with this when dealing with short chain esters, like test prop (a C3 ester), is that the BA is miscible with water and as such will leech into the surrounding tissue. This allows the test prop. to crystallize at the depot which is the pain that is associated with the injects.

One simple method for alleviating, or reducing significantly, the pain intensity is to include BB (benzyl benzoate) as a COSOLVENT. The BB is relatively not miscible with water and will keep the prop from crystallizing for longer periods. It does nothing for bacteriostatic purposes and is purely a cosolvent. The pharmaceutical industry has been using this for years and it simply amazes me that more people don't include it in their darts/homebrews.

Using BB for short chain esters is easiest when homebrewing injectables such as test prop and tren acetate (fina) but may also be used if commercial products are obtained --> READ: like IP products that have higher amounts of BA. Simply sterilize and add to the pin in a 15-20% amount. For example, you have a 100 mg/mL test prop vial and will be pinning 100 mg. Simply draw .2 mL of BB (1 or 2 tick marks depending on your dart) and shake well. This will give a BB concentration of ~16% and will be plenty.

Chemo

Good to know BD. So this should work with QV enthanate 250, right? Hearing lots of stuff on injection pain with that stuff because of the high BA content. I like you idea much better than nuking or baking the product to release the extra alcohol.

[BD Chemo]

Originally posted by IronMan
Good to know BD. So this should work with QV enthanate 250, right? Hearing lots of stuff on injection pain with that stuff because of the high BA content. I like you idea much better than nuking or baking the product to release the extra alcohol.

Adding BB to long chain esters would work but from simply diluting and not from a cosolvent standpoint. When dealing with enath or cyp esters they tend to resist crystallization due to their long chains. For these it would be just as beneficial to dilute with sterile oil (and cheaper too).

If there is one thing that we can do it would be to stop the notion of baking or nuking the juice. The boiling point of BA is actually pretty high so the extreme heat required to "boil off" would approach that of molecular destruction for test. The margin of error is around 50 degrees or so. As you can imagine, the accuracy of the oven thermostat is not far off from this and with a microwave there is no temperature control.

Chemo

[Steve]

Originally posted by Steve
Got a question, Conan.

Have you ever tried spotinjecting? If you had, did it work? I have read so many contradicting reports on this...some say it works, other don't. I figured if it worked, many bodybuilders would have huge asses, then again, many bodybuilders DO have huge asses!

Confusing isssue, isn't it?

Steve

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[Conan]

I Think spot injections are overrated, It is not worth the pain, I don't like doing bi injections they are painful.

I do delt, quad injections mostly, only hit the glutes when i have someone do the shots

[donmega]

well whats uP!

it seems that this is the first time i have seen someone on here who knows alot of ****..............

can u do me a huge favour, and check out my threads under
DON MEGA and give me some proper advice on stuff, b/c i have written about a couple of times, but no one really has pointed me to any direction, so can you help a buddy out, thanx yo........

i was readin about that AMIRADEX and i have recently moved to india to get my dental degree, but i am born adn raised in canada,what i am tryin to say is that i can onyl get a hold of deca and susaton, but do you know of any other steroids available in India, b/c it seems you know alot, and do u think that AMIRADEX IS available here and if not is there any other alternative.......

please get back to me quik, i am anxious about startin my cycle, but do read my threads, they are recent and i do need some expert advice..............

LATTZZZ...........CONAN.........