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Old 16-Mar-03, 10:25 AM   #1
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I love coffee, but....


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Coffee Drinkers Beware!

While there were several interesting topics presented, including a lecture given by a MD/PhD and research superstar Wim Saris who confirmed all of my incessant ramblings about the value of protein and amino acids with glucose and maltodextrin in a post-workout drink, the topic I found most interesting was the research presented on caffeine/coffee and insulin sensitivity.

For a while now I've been cautioning my clients and T-mag readers about the ill effects caffeine and typical thermogenic agents have on insulin sensitivity. Well, at the University of Guelph they've been investigating this issue intensively and here's what they found:

1) Caffeine intake (in all of its forms) decreases whole body glucose disposal (carbohydrate uptake) by 15-30%.

2) Caffeine intake decreases skeletal muscle glucose disposal by 50%.

3) When consumed with a standard carbohydrate breakfast, caffeine decreases insulin sensitivity, leading to large increases in blood insulin. But even in the face of this insulin surge, blood glucose doesn't disappear at a normal rate. When the body can't take up carbohydrates properly (as when drinking coffee), it releases loads of insulin to help out. However, the coffee actually prevents the insulin from doing this job and you end up with high insulin and glucose. That, my friends, is the serum profile of the obese, type II diabetic.

4) Caffeine decreases insulin sensitivity for at least three hours (this is the duration of the longest study they've performed), but the true duration of the effect isn't known. I speculate that it's at least five hours, the half life of caffeine.

In this case, many people are probably walking around all day with impaired insulin sensitivity. If you're a coffee drinker you should realize that you're living your life like a diabetic except during the times that it could actually be diagnosed. When you go to the doc to see why you're so fat or you feel like crap (if you have any glucose or insulin tolerance problems), what do you have to do? You have to fast overnight and avoid coffee! So 99% of your waking life you're functionally diabetic and that 1% of the time when it really matters and can be diagnosed, you're not. No wonder experts suggest that 50% of North Americans are diabetics who aren't diagnosed as such.

5) In one study, four groups were used to evaluate the effect of caffeine and glycemic index on insulin sensitivity.

o The first group got decaf and a low-GI breakfast. They saw a normal blood glucose and insulin response.
o The second group got decaf and a high-GI breakfast. They saw a bigger insulin and glucose response in the blood.
o However, when the low GI group got regular coffee with breakfast, their blood profile was worse than that of those who got the high-glycemic breakfast and decaf. Therefore coffee/caffeine can turn a low glycemic meal into a high glycemic meal!
o Finally, the group that drank coffee and had the high-glycemic meal ended up looking like diabetics.

6) One interesting hypothesis generated at the seminar was as follows: In terms of insulin sensitivity, caffeine alone is worse than coffee and obviously (as seen above) coffee is worse than nothing. However, some people believe that certain substances in coffee (specific quinides) can actually increase glucose disposal and improve insulin sensitivity. While the quinide content of coffee isn't strong enough to counter the effects of the caffeine, the quinides in decaf coffee may actually increase glucose and insulin tolerance. This hypothesis still needs to be tested and proper doses have yet to be discussed; however, keep your eyes out for this research in the near future.

So the final word on coffee and caffeine is this - stay the heck away from it! The only way to minimize the damage it causes may be to drink your coffee with a very low carbohydrate meal and eat only low carb meals for the next few hours after your coffee intake. I know, I know, it now sucks to be a coffee drinker! But giving up your java may bring you some great health and physique benefits.
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Old 16-Mar-03, 10:52 AM   #2
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Soooo -- it would be OK to drink decaf? And I have to assume this would hold true for caffine in my tea also? Is this article suggesting a switch to decaf for both?
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Old 16-Mar-03, 11:52 AM   #3
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Great info Steve. Thanks for the post.

Questions that I have about (and beyond) the study include:

² What about the effects ot caffeine on an empty stomach (no carbs, high glycemic or otherwise)?
² How might the volume and balance of other macronutrients (protein and quality fats) modify the negative effects of caffeine?
² How might the quantity/volume of carbs come into play? No mention is given of the grams of carbs consumed per pound of lean body mass (a seemingly significant statistic).
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Old 16-Mar-03, 12:18 PM   #4
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More on CAFFEINE from johnberardi.com

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Old 16-Mar-03, 12:44 PM   #5
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NOOOOO !!!!!! My coffeee !!!!! hell no, now what am I going to do.
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Old 16-Mar-03, 01:50 PM   #6
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Have a cup of coffee to relieve the stress Lee!
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Old 16-Mar-03, 02:52 PM   #7
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Good idea bro, I think I will have a cup, or three
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I did a little searching around on the websites posted about "caffeine".

It says that on a low-carb diet which I am on right now (75 grams a day) it is actually beneficial. So basically the coffee I cheat with later in the afternoon sometimes is actually beneficial for me but in what ways? fat loss?
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Old 16-Apr-03, 07:52 PM   #9
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Bleh - Thanks for ruining my Green Tea in the morning lol. Good post bro =)
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Old 17-Apr-03, 01:31 PM   #10
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This morning I had a cup of Dunkin Donuts coffee, then Starbucks and topped it off with a good cup of 7-11 coffee. Was that bad? lol
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Old 17-Apr-03, 07:33 PM   #11
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**** off Steve. Man, where's the ban button.....

Can't drink, smoke, have a cup of Joe, have OTC pain killers. Geez.
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Oh, HELL, no! Who was the punk who started posting all the s--- about caffeine's negative effects? Nuh-UH, I ain't givin' up my java! There are two things in life that I DON'T share: my men and my coffee.

Besides, coffee makes me feel really wired (in a good way) and totally pumps me up for a killer workout. (Maybe it's all my head, but the stuff sure does taste good.)

Woooooooot!

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Quote:
Originally posted by MuscleMama
Oh, HELL, no! Who was the punk who started posting all the s--- about caffeine's negative effects? Nuh-UH, I ain't givin' up my java! There are two things in life that I DON'T share: my men and my coffee.

Besides, coffee makes me feel really wired (in a good way) and totally pumps me up for a killer workout. (Maybe it's all my head, but the stuff sure does taste good.)

Woooooooot!

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i hear ya there musclemama. i love my coffee too. i went to that site posted earlier in this thread and did a few searches of coffee and caffeine etc. it's not all bad from what i was reading. one of those 50/50 things.
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I think I'm left with Heroin.

Seriously, that leaves us with like zero fun drugs. Anybody got a good one?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Fudomyo
I think I'm left with Heroin.

Seriously, that leaves us with like zero fun drugs. Anybody got a good one?
Heroin is terrific....but too addictive. LSD is too intense.
How about just plain old weed? Used in moderation, I guess it can't do too much harm.

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