L-Arginine

[4STRINGS]

lil lifter, is there any proof of this statement?

because as i see constantly all weight gaining products and ALL whey products include an additional dosage of glutamine in the powder.

And now many creatines are now improved because of the amino acid arginine.

so...

[4STRINGS]

who said anything about taking over ther recommended or ODing on glutamine robfunk?

[robfunk]

4-strings, dave did above but it makes no difference im removing my comments

[cursor]

By the way, doing a search on L-Arginine returns a whole list of threads/posts (31):
http://www.discussfitness.com/search...earchid=154790

[4STRINGS]

Originally Posted by 4STRINGS

When is the most efficient time to take arginine?

If before a workout, how long before starting?

okkkkkk but back to the topic ^^^^^^^^

[cursor]

Skip La Cour on BCAAs:

By the way, there's no need to take BCAAs separately. That's so "old school"--right along with those good old liver tablets.

http://www.ast-ss.com/dev/qa_search/...xt.asp?ID=2073

[4STRINGS]

i highly disagree with skip cursor

http://www.lbnutrition.com/bcaa%27s.htm

[Taverner]

Can't say much about their effectiveness in muscle building but I can testify to their effectiveness in bed....:-D

[Lil'Lifter]

Originally Posted by 4STRINGS

i highly disagree with skip cursor

http://www.lbnutrition.com/bcaa%27s.htm

That page sells BBing products how can you even begin to think of that as a reliable source.

[4STRINGS]

Since leucine has this great impact on muscle protein synthesis and since levels of leucine, much like glutamine, decline during exercise, it only makes sense to supplement with leucine after workouts (28). In the end, it appears that leucine, along with protein and carbs, will lead to the greatest increases in protein synthesis.

So what's the best way to rapidly increase protein synthesis after a workout? It seems that the 0.4g/kg of protein hydrolysate plus 0.8g/kg of glucose/glucose polymer plus insulin-stimulating amino acids takes care of the insulin angle. But remember, insulin isn't enough. Providing BCAAs in an ideal ratio is the second part in rapidly stimulating protein synthesis.

hows that lil lifter?
http://t-mag.com/html/body_142post.html

[cursor]

First of all, the [singular] study referenced by Berardi addresses "endurance athletes" (as you aptly point out). Who's to say that any benefit is realized by an athlete training after a different fashion? The amount of leucine or glutamine from which any particular athlete might benefit will totally depend on what they have in their system before starting the training (it would seem). As I recall, no indication is provided in the article of just how much might leucine might be needed to balance things out (again, assuming that anything additional would be necessary).

Even if there might be benefits to ingesting additional amounts of leucine (or some other amino acid), it might more than adequate (again, whatever that is) to simply eat particular foods that naturally contain higher levels of leucine (cottage cheese, fish & other seafood, meats, poultry, peanuts, sesame seeds, whole lentils, etc.)

[4STRINGS]

cursor in some ways i agree with you. It is 100% possible to get all the amino acids or for the fact of the matter the necesary leucine or glutamine through natural everyday eating habits.

you can either think of it like that or like this. If you can get all the nutrients from food then why does 90% of this forum use whey? There are plenty of food sources that contain high whey for example cottage cheese.

I still do agree natrually eating is the best way. But i still believe it is very hard to intake all of the necessary nutrients and protein this way. Thats where whey and amino acid supplemts come in. You need them on the side to maximize growth and recovery.

[Tiestolive]

i have to agree with 4 Strings on this one. he is right.... pizdunyyy

[MonStar]

Dont get caught up in the L - supplements, all of them are a load of crap IMO.

Wow, now that's definitely a broad statement. I disagree, of course. I don't think that the results of amino acids are necessarily dramatic but they are definitely not crap.