L-Arginine Powder

[.V.]

Originally Posted by Maxgain

I wonder if this covers any strain that may be put on the kidney.

Don't know - I have two docs reviewing the labs monthly and telling me everything is fine.

The only time things looked scary was a couple of years ago when I hadn't learned to live with the pain yet and was taking too much tylenol, the docs were like "hey stupid - take the narcotics", but I'm pretty stubborn...until my liver enzymes went way up. Right now - all is perfect.

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Update on the L-Arginine stuff.

I honestly don't know if it is effective or not. However, I've been on it for almost a week now 27g/day. Today was arm day - the most "visible" workout. I came in from the gym and my wife commented on how "gross and disgusting" all those veins were all over my arms. I suppose that means improved vascularity and improved blood flow.

I'm not much of an arm measurer (or an anything else measurer) unless someone asks. But in the interst of assessing blood flow I measured today. Upper Arm Measurement = L-15.5, R-15.75. This is about 1/2 inch increase immediately post workout.

Normal pump from arm day? Increased pump from supplementation? I cannot answer that since this is something I don't ordinarily keep track of.

Hopefully this information is helpful.

In case anyone is wondering, I don't think this stuff is miracle grow or anything like that. So far the most effective thing I've found to help with recovery that I actually know works is protein after workout with some dextrose to help facilitate movement of nutrients into the cells. The creatine with it's extra water carrying assistance also seems to help.

[rangers97]

Originally Posted by a_welch503

Update on the L-Arginine stuff.

I honestly don't know if it is effective or not. However, I've been on it for almost a week now 27g/day. Today was arm day - the most "visible" workout. I came in from the gym and my wife commented on how "gross and disgusting" all those veins were all over my arms. I suppose that means improved vascularity and improved blood flow.

I'm not much of an arm measurer (or an anything else measurer) unless someone asks. But in the interst of assessing blood flow I measured today. Upper Arm Measurement = L-15.5, R-15.75. This is about 1/2 inch increase immediately post workout.

Normal pump from arm day? Increased pump from supplementation? I cannot answer that since this is something I don't ordinarily keep track of.

Hopefully this information is helpful.

In case anyone is wondering, I don't think this stuff is miracle grow or anything like that. So far the most effective thing I've found to help with recovery that I actually know works is protein after workout with some dextrose to help facilitate movement of nutrients into the cells. The creatine with it's extra water carrying assistance also seems to help.

How the hell do you take 27g of this stuff a day? lol. That's gotta get expensive after a while...I have the stuff in pill form which is only 500mg per pill and I have been taking 6 pills post workout, so that's only 3 g a day. I had a gift certificate to the vitamin shoppe so I spent it on the powdered form of this stuff, but it was like $14 for the container, and with any reasonable consumption say like even 5 g a day, it might last 2 weeks, so it can get expensive, if it even works at all.

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16.95/bottle. 1000mg/capsule. 3caps/serving. Misread the bottle. it's 9g/day. OOPS. 3g 3x/day.

My bad.

[rangers97]

Originally Posted by a_welch503

16.95/bottle. 1000mg/capsule. 3caps/serving. Misread the bottle. it's 9g/day. OOPS. 3g 3x/day.

My bad.

ok, that makes more sense, but it is also good to know that you *possibly* got results on 9 g a day as opposed to 27g!! At least now I know I am in the same ballpark as you, if I up it to 5 g a day and see what happens.

what exactly *should* this stuff do visibly?

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I've got no clue - it's supposedly just to help with increased blood flow to the muscles by improving nitrogen balance or something like that. An improved nitrogen balance is a good thing, but if this works or not??? I don't know. The scientific evidence I've read is mixed. One study says it's the best thing ever - another says it doesn't work at all. So the best way I know to find out for certain is to try it honestly and see.

[Maxgain]

Originally Posted by Maxgain

The effects of arginine are due to its use to produce endothelial nitric oxide which produces vasodilation and thus increased blood flow to the body regions. The theory is increased blood flow = increased nutrient supply.
Arginine also has a great endrocrinological response causing release of growth hormone, insulin, glucagon, and prolactin though its oral effect in this way is still debatable.
for vasodilation effects you will need 9gs a day. Maximum effects are seen with about 20g. Whether this difference is worth it I dont know.

A study has also shown 9g to increase gh release.

[DaRkAnGel]

1fast400 sells 1000 grams for 22 bucks. I think ur getting jipped ranger.

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OK, guys...here it is. As promised - a totally unscientific, anectodal experiment with L-arginine - "Nitroxy3 performance enhancer" - same ingredient as the rest of the NOS type products.

In my experinece, no benefit at all. No bigger, no stronger, no improvements beyond what would be expected with normal weight training cardio, and big eating. Occasionally a slightly bigger pump, most of the time, not. End result - I won't be wasting my money on this any more - this was an almost 2 month long experiment. $32.00 - may as well just been thrown in the trash. Oh well, don't try it, don't know if it works or not.

[Maxgain]

Yup it is a waste though the arginine if taken about 9g with your gaba at night may be helpful for GH release but quite expensive.

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I was taking 3g Tid. You think 9g hs would be better? I just decided it was a waste of money.

[Maxgain]

It probably is not worth it but 3g I do not believe is sufficient for noticable GH increase when taken orally typically it is 9g at once taken quite arkward. Then you have to wonder how long this effect will last.