Metabolism Raisers?

[MuscleMama]

Oh, yeah ... and in case you haven't already figured this out: Just because something is "natural" doesn't mean it's healthy. (And I can't believe that I'm actually having to type this obvious statement.)

Cocaine and marijuana are "natural," too. Go get some cocaine and start sniffing. Who knows? Maybe you won't die. Go ahead and take a chance. Duh.

[Steve]

Originally posted by MuscleMama

Cocaine and marijuana are "natural," too. Go get some cocaine and start sniffing. Who knows? Maybe you won't die. Go ahead and take a chance. Duh.

To get cocaine, you have to process a plant. cocaine doesn't appear naturally. Marijuana, on the other hand, does. You can go and pick a few buds and stick them in a bong.

Duh to you, sunshine.

Steve

[MuscleMama]

Thanks, you just re-stated my point. It's funny when you read my posts, then basically repeat what I've already stated. LOL

Go pick some more of those buds and stuff 'em in your bong, Natural Boy ... 'cause I'm having fun laughing at ya.

[Plucas8916]

Steve I'm not picking any sides and dont think you should be fighting about something so stupid. But Is Ephedra not proccessed? Every supplement we take is proccessed from its original form, So we can go ahead and say unless your eating leaves your eating something that isn't natural.

[Steve]

Originally posted by Plucas8916
Steve I'm not picking any sides and dont think you should be fighting about something so stupid. But Is Ephedra not proccessed? Every supplement we take is proccessed from its original form, So we can go ahead and say unless your eating leaves your eating something that isn't natural.

The Ephedra I buy is a herb. I know it is in its natural form.

Ephedrine, on the other hand, is not a natural substance.


Lucas, I wasn't fighting with anyone....I was trying to be factual.

Steve

[Jock]

Originally posted by Fudomyo
The gym is your best metabolism booster.

Exactly, stop worrying about supplements and start thinking about how to get your metabolism really going, like with some high-intensity excercise.

Quite frankly, I think this whole ephedra debate is pathetic. The same has been said in the past about creatine, a few old wives tales surface about some dead wrestlers and suddenly creatine has a worse rep than Osama Bin Laden. Of course without any kind of credible research proving so.

If you choose to use Ephedra wisely it will serve you well, decide to abuse it however then 1) you're an idiot anyway and 2) you deserve the consequences.

Jock

[Steve]

Originally posted by Jock
[b]suddenly creatine has a worse rep than Osama Bin Laden.

Let's attack CREATINE!! Come on, send in the troops

Steve

[ebon00]

Originally posted by MuscleMama
Ummm ... I never said ephedra isn't natural. Show me exactly where I said: "Ephedra is not a natural supplement." You can't, because I never said that. I simply said that L-carnitine is natural; I didn't say ephedra wasn't. Pay attention and stop putting words into people's mouths, you goons.

You didn't, I know that much. I think you read too much into my statement (as I may have into yours). And please, let's try to keep this 'debate' on level-headed terms. There's no need to be calling any of us goons even if you add the little smilies after it.

That said, let's have a look at your first post again, shall we?

Originally posted by MuscleMama
Good choice on not wanting to take ephedra. You're a smart kid. [...]

However, if you're looking for a natural, safe, effective supplement ... you might want to try L-carnitine.

I'll rephrase my question so that you'll understand what I mean. In comparison to what is L-carnitine considered natural? I thought the reference was to the ephedra alluded to in the opening sentence. If not, there's no need to call it natural.

[MuscleMama]

Hey, you goon. (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

Yes, I think you read too much into my statement. I also think that you're not understanding what I'm saying. I did say that L-carnitine is natural, yes. But I didn't say that ephedra isn't - we've already established that, so there's no need to repeat this conversation.

Second, you're not fully realizing that, in fact, there IS credible evidence (medical reports, autopsies, etc.) that proves the dangers of ephedra.

So, in essence, my "L-carnitine is a natural, safe and effective ..." statement wasn't to say that ephedra is not NATURAL; it was focusing more on the SAFE part.

Get huge,
MuscleMama

[ebon00]

Originally posted by MuscleMama
Second, you're not fully realizing that, in fact, there IS credible evidence (medical reports, autopsies, etc.) that proves the dangers of ephedra.

I do wish you would quit jumping to conclusion about these kinds of things. So far I have seen nothing presented (by you or anyone else on this board) that shows that ephedra, if used as recommended and the user has no medical condition listed in the warning on the label, has caused any deaths (which has to be the case considering the mention of autopsies). The burden of proof in this case is on the "let's get rid of ephedra" side of the debate and there is no credible evidence forthcoming. Otherwise the FDA would have ephedra off the shelves long ago. I have, however, seen several reports on dosages bordering on madness that have caused medical problems when used over periods of several months by people who shouldn't be taking the herb in the first place. I'm more than willing to review any and all evidence you can produce but I see nothing. All I see is the assumption that I don't know what I'm talking about.

[Jock]

Originally posted by MuscleMama
Second, you're not fully realizing that, in fact, there IS credible evidence (medical reports, autopsies, etc.) that proves the dangers of ephedra.

Post some of this evidence, I'd like to take a look at it.

Jock

[MuscleMama]

Hello (again), Ebon and Jock.

Very briefly:

1) I'm not jumping to conclusions. I assume nothing until the proper facts present themselves. Then, I make an educated assessment.

2) Unfortunately, I don't have the authority to publicly post the medical cases of deaths that I've encountered. These were actual cases that I had to deal with when working in a hospital as a medical professional. To post the evidence and records would mean violating confidential rights.

However ... I may have some literature based on other studies/records that HAVE been made public. I will try to locate them and post them in the very near future.

Best to you all,
MuscleMama

[Plucas8916]

So I'm guessing L-Carnitine?

[MuscleMama]

Try it for four to six weeks and see how it works for you. I would try L-carnitine first - it might be all you need ... AND you wouldn't be risking your health.

Whatever route you choose, good luck to you.

[Brewsky]

Try some Green Tea- its believe it may have thermogenic properties. Synephrine is claimed as doing the same as well, but I dunno if its been proven (don't think it has). I seriously doubt L-carnitine by itself will do anything for you. I beleive it is included in some ECA stacks but its certainly not the backbone of thermogenisis.