Need opinions on my next cycle

[jason29]

My last cycle was Enanthte, Decca, and Trenbalone. 400mg of decca, 500mg of test and 150mg of trenbalone. I did the decca/test for 12 weeks and added the trenbalone on for the last 6 weeks. I gained 28 pounds and am very pleased. Im taking 3 months off the juice and then getting back on it.

Im looking to pick up 20 pounds of semi lean muscle. I was thinking of going with test(propinate), winstrol, and trenbalone. What do you think? Not sure on the dossages either. Im thinking 400-500mg of propinate, winstrol ?, and 150-225mg of trenbalone. Since all three of these need to be injected EOD, i figured this would be a good stack. Oh BTW im weighing 188 right now. I m eating about 5000 calories a day, and im 29 years old. I have a hard time putting on weight because of my job. Its like a 10 hour workout (UPS driver).

Any advice would be appreciated. Im not new to the game just new to the steroid part of it. I can get anything i want through my dealer, so let me hear your suggestions.

[Jock]

Sounds like a good cycle combo........I would go with:

Weeks 1-8: 100-150mg Test Prop EOD
Weeks 1-6: 75mg Tren EOD
Weeks 4-8: 50mg Winstrol EOD

Short esters require EOD jabs so be prepared to be a pin cushion lol.

Your diet will determine what you gain how much 'lean' muscle you gain, it looks alot like the cutting cycle I'm gonna run in the summer, so you'll have to work out your diet first.

Nolva on hand and Clomid or maybe HCG at the end (tren can shut you down hard)

Jock

[Lee J B]

I totally and utterly agree with Jock on the suggestion.... real good looking cycle there, nice post Jock. If it's any comfort you can site inject winny with insulin pins... which is a LOT better than sticking yourself with a 18/20/25gauge... like the bro said... tren is harsh, demands respect. BTW - bicep inj's hurt like a bitch, but not as much as tricep so stick with the other groups for the winny.

[jason29]

Thanks Jock and Lee, On my last cycle i didnt really have any harsh side effects, However i did come off of them right by useing Clomid and Proviron. I wasnt able to get any HCG unfortunatly. Ive been off for 2 months and havent lost a pound, ive actually gained 4.

The tren i was on was actually made from Finaplex. My dealer/buddie told me it is harsh stuff and need respect. Also told me it would really hardin up my gains, so i went with it. Would you recommend this cooked Finaplex? Ive taken a bottle of it on my last cycle. I can get the Tren(QV) if you recommend it as a better alternative.

Once again, i appreciate you advice. The injections werent to bad, but it has been nice not having to do it these last couple of months.

One more question, My wife is wanting a good cutting cycle. She did a cycle of Winstrol when i was on my cycle. She was going 25mg EOD, but got spooked about 4 weeks into it and gave it up. She is looking to cycle again with me in another month or so. She wants to loose body fat and pick up some lean mass. Any suggestions would be appreciated and doseages also.

Thanks Jason

Originally Posted by jason29

On my last cycle i didnt really have any harsh side effects

With the amounts you are using and the short length of time between cycles, it is only a matter of time before the sides catch up with you.

As for your wife, have her try anavar. Much better for a woman to use, IMO. What kind of sides was she experiencing that spooked her?

[jason29]

Ironman, On the side effects issue, i was comparing my self with my buddies and theirs. The side effects i was having was about week 7 and on i was have shortness of breath. I was having trouble getting through a workout. I was just winded all the time. Also about week 10 i started to get a little gyno. When i came off my cycle i got on clomid and proviron.

This was only my first cycle, and im thinking that 3 months off time is sufficient. Correct me if im wrong, im new to this.

My wife got spooked cause her girlfriend that was doing the cycle with her started breaking out really badly(acne). This girl was going 100mg EOD which is crazy. Altough she put on 19 pounds in 6 weeks. My dealer also recommended anavar. Dont get me wrong my wife isnt scared of the side effects, it was just her first cycle and was overwhelmed. Thanks ironman.

Shortness of breath - might have been caused by higher blood pressure. Did you have it checked during the cycle? Also, your HDL was probably very low. Not sure if that would contribute to the breathing issue, but one of those long term sides that will need to be addressed in future cycles. Mild gyno means you are going to have to deal with it on any subsequent cycle. Make sure you have nolvadex on hand prior to starting your next cycle. Might want to consider armidex or proviron during the cycle too. You could also get some "rebound gyno" a few months post cycle. As soon as you feel soreness, itching, or tenderness in your nips get on nolva pronto. Not trying to scare you, just getting you prepared for what might happen.

Time off issue: You were injecting for 12 weeks? Then three weeks past last inject (because of the deca) you should have started PCT. That would take another 3 weeks. So we are looking at 18 weeks for your cycle total (how long one has been using drugs to manipulate the HPTA). I believe that should be the minimum you should be off before starting a new cycle. Most guys are in such a hurry that they only count the time they inject, but I found that the gains can be solidified better by being off longer. Roids do have a point of diminishing returns, so unless you are a pro athlete there is really nothing to lose by letting the body get back into balance. A lot of my buds are on all year and they are lucky to put on 5 pounds a year. Why go through all that jabbing and money for such measly returns? And what is going to happen to them when they do come off? Their gains will go and depression will set in.

These are just things I have learned the hard way, and they go against the grain on most boards. My philosophy is that these drugs are tools and not a way of life.

I agree with you that 100 mg/eod for a female is over the top. Even though winny is fairly safe for a woman, anavar is considered the safest drug. You wife sounds like a smart woman! :thumbup:

[jason29]

Ironman, Your a good guy... I appreciate your advice and will use it. I just happen to have Proviron, and Clomid in my cabinet. Not sure what the HDL is though? I didnt see a doctor cause i really dont know what to say to him. On the gyno, i didnt develope any lumps, they just got really sensitive at the end of the cycle. I waited 2 weeks and then took 40mg of proviron a day for 2 weeks. My last injection was mid October. As mentioned, Im not using this as a way of life, just to get over hurdles. Im really only planning on 2 cycles a year if that.. Yeah, my wife has a good head on her shoulders. Thanks for the replies.

HDL is the good portion of cholesterol. LDL is the bad stuff. Too little HDL is just as bad as too much LDL. Roids lower HDL.

If you decide to tell your doc then be prepared for a lecture at the very least. I go to a sports doc and he is very much against my using. Mostly because I'm not pro material. Probably the best advice I've gotten is to use just enough to get the job done. I believe the doc called it the "maximum effective dose". I check my BP before any cycle at the pharmacy -- you know those machines they have? It gives me an idea of how my body is reacting to the cycle.

Glad you didn't develop any lumps. That is a good thing. Clomid and proviron are anti-e's in their own right, but nolvadex is better when gyno is active, IMO. But it appears as if those two worked for you.

Two cycles a year....sounds reasonable.