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Old 04-Feb-04, 01:33 PM   #1
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Nitric Oxide Products


This was requested by a great guy, so I thought I'd post it up in a more detailed format in a thread.

Although I've only tried it once, and only because it was free like most of the supps I experiment with lol, it didn't seem to me to be worth the cash to be honest - although it is crashing down in price now, so it's not too bad.

• Why are people pumping insane levels of NO2 into their bodies ?
Well basically nitric oxide is associated with the biological process vasodilation opposite of vasoconstriction. Vasodilation is responsible for expantion of blood vessels thus allowing more stuff (nutrients) to your cells...along with more oxygen (ding ding ). The more NO2 and oxygen you can get in your blood stream, the faster it's pumped into the muscles... an when you have a maximum level of these flowing into your muscles you get a big pump, remember guys how the pump occurs when blood, NO2 and O2 is flowing into your muscles faster than it can get out ? Well there is only so much of these nutrients, NO2 and 02 you can have at anyone time - and thats the reason I say about the max serving size later in this thread, but obviously the more you have getting in, the bigger the pump in simple terms.

• There are a few things you need to look for in a nitric oxide product, nitric oxide is a very important molecule for biological process's and physiological transport in our body's and too much can be harmful, and the wrong chemicals can make sure a very small amount only gets to your blood stream.

- Beta Cyclodextrin, Cephaline, Xanthan, Inulin, Sorbitol, Calcium Phosphate, Magnesium Stearate, Stearic Acid.

Never buy a NO2 supplement that doesn't have the majority or preferrably all of these chemicals in - they are EXTREMELY important for transport into the blood. The B-Cyclodextrin and Inulin especially as these help bond to form the NO2 carrier's.

• Obviosuly any nitric oxide supp will contain A-AKG (Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate) and A-AIC (Arginine-Ketoisocaproate) these are what produce the short term NO2 raised levels, however the amoounts of these should be watched closely it's my advice to you that you don't take anything higher per serving than 3000mg, I've seen some 3500mg and 4000mg servings and they would take things slightly too far IMO.

• One more thing, it says take on an empty stomach, in the morning and 1/2 hour before lunch - now this is where I disagree, since A-AKG and A-AIC (strains of amino acids) are the things that boost NO2 levels, it made sense to me to take it with food, in the morning and with my pre-workout meal an hour before working out, obviously I'm no expert by a long shot so this is just my opinion - take it with a pinch of salt. But I advise you either take it with food or follow the directions, don't veer off them obviously.

Hope this irons out all the conflicts around these supplements and makes things easier to understand I tried my best - just remember that no matter WHAT they call it, the above are the KEY facts and chemicals to this supplement, and anything else they add is either not needed or is there to bump up the sale price....they are adding this stuff to protein powders and calling it supa-dupa powder and charging the world for it ... umm.. why ?

This post is obviously not final and I could be wrong on many points, everyone is free to ask and add stuff.

Cheers, lee.
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Old 04-Feb-04, 03:07 PM   #2
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Awesome post Lee! Thanks for the info, it's always nice to know what's behind these products.

Since we've been discussing this product I've done a little research of my own and come across a few tidbits of information I deemed were worth sharing.

To clear up some of the confusion with NO2 advertisements:

Comparing and constrasting GNC's NO2 Growth-Enhancing Hemodilator with other NO2 supplements out there.

The GNC version of "NO2" is sold here.

It sells for $80 for 180 capsules, average serving size is 8 capsules a day for males under 200lbs (91kg), 10 capsules for males over 200lbs.

Basically about 3 weeks worth of pills for $80

The above product is called a NO2 Growth-Hemodilator... sounds pretty fancy doesn't it? Well the word hemodilation was actually invented due to the discovery of NO2. You can find that out here.

What it says about hemodilation is this:

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NOTE: Hemodilation is a new term that came into existence with the discovery of nitric oxide (NO). Under ordinary circumstances, hemodilation lasts only briefly. With the introduction of NO2, however, and the sustained NO levels it generates in the skeletal muscle, sustained hemodilation became a reality. The word hemodilation, as applied to NO2, means sustained hemodilation.
So don't think that just because the product says "hemodilation" on it means it's better than any of the other NO2 products out there... they all hemodilate.

The GNC version also goes on to state this:
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Now, with NO2's extended-release delivery system pHyser3, it is possible for hemodilation to last all day long! That means greater results and faster gains for you. And, of course, a “perpetual pump.”
This "pHyser3", like it says, is an extended-release delivery system. According to MRI (Medical Research Institute... the creator of NO2 Growth-Enhancing Hemodilator) it will help you keep the pump all day long.

Okay, that's the information on GNC's version which, according to GNC (of course), is the best...

If you go and look at a similar product, and in this case we'll use Pinnacle NoX2, you'll find this:

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Furthermore, Pinnacle utilizes the exclusive A-DS Advanced delivery system in NoX2 which spikes absorption of the active compound to insure uptake and help sustain the powerful vasodilation effects of A-AKG and A-KIC around the clock.
What does that mean? Basically it's doing the exact same thing that NO2 GE Hem. (NO2 Growth-Enhancing Hemodilator) is doing... they probably just can't say "pHsyer3" because it'd be some sort of copyright infringement.

I actually searched the NO2 GE Hem. website and couldn't find the actual ingredients listed in it. When I searched for the NOX2 ingredients I immediately came up with this:

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Contains: 3000mg Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate (A-AKG) Arginine-Ketoisocaproate

Other Ingredients: Beta cyclodextrin, cephaline, xanthan, inulin, sorbitol, calcium phosphate, magnesium stearate and stearic acid.
These are the exact same ingredients that Lee said in his above post that is necessary for a product to be a good NO2 supplement.

As far as dosage goes, NOX2 says to take 3 tablets twice daily - once in the morning on an empty stomach and 1/2 hour prior to lunch. To maximize results, drink at least 64 ounces of water daily while using NoX2.

Note: Refer to Lee's post about when to take it... one serving of NOX2 contains 3000mg and once again, if you look at Lee's post he says anything over 3000mg isn't necessary so be sure to look at the label before you take it. Therefore if you take 6 tablets instead of 3, you'll be taking 6000mg of NOX2 compared to the normal 3000mg.

Now the NO2X has 180 tablets per bottle in it. It says to take 6 tablets a day which makes for about 1 month's worth of NOX2.

But here's the kicker.... you can buy one month's worth of NOX2 (or 2 month's if you only take 3000mg a day!!!) for around $35 compared to the $80 for 3 weeks of NO2 GE Hem.!!!!

So in conclusion, you can see that these two products are pretty much the same deal... one just has a few fancier terms, bigger serving sizes, and costs over twice as much!

Note: This information is based on the comparison between Pinnacle's NOX2 and MRI's NO2 Enhanced-Growth Hemodilator. There are other good NO2-type supplements out there, Pinnacle's NOX2 isn't the only one. Just make sure that they all contain beta cyclodextrin, cephaline, xanthan, inulin, sorbitol, calcium phosphate, magnesium stearate and stearic acid... you'll find cheap NO2 that doesn't contain all of these.

Hope this helps everyone, any questions/comments/corrections are happily accepted.

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Old 04-Feb-04, 05:05 PM   #3
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Great post buddy...should help a lot of people out, top notch info.
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Both your posts are excellent, thanks for the info. The guy at my local shop suggested an NO product as an alternative to pro-hormones (i was not a big fan of the way PH affected my mood) but I thought i'd do a little research before laying down the bucks.


But my question to you both is...IS IT WORTH IT?

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Old 05-Feb-04, 04:26 AM   #5
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IMO it's not worth it to be honest, they are nothing like a pro-hormone all they do is increase oxygen and blood uptake into muscles so you get a pump. Pretty pointless, but it feels good non the less
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Yeah, I'd say from reading a lot of people's personal experiences with NO2 that it is mainly just a vanity supplement in that it doesn't do a whole lot but make you look better (the perpetual pump). Some claim that it gives them more endurance, which could just be the placebo effect. Heck, some people don't even get the "perpetual pump" NO2 claims to give.
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