Pro/cons For Test.and Deca

[JACOB]

WHAT ARE THE GOOD THINGS ABOUT TEST AND DECA ?And what are some side effects?Thanks guys!

[ebon00]

Good things? You increase the available testosterone for your body which will do some good things, one of which is making it easier to stay anabolic. Side-effects are fairly few with Deca but it will lower your endogenous production of testosterone (your body tries to attain equilibrium at all costs) which will cause you to lose the gains when you go off. Your body may also try to protect itself by increasing your levels of estrogen to combat the raise in testosterone which can cause a number of very nasty illnesses (prostate cancer for one). And there's always the possibility of testicle dysfuntcion.

[Ah-nold]

Wildly skewed LDL to HDL levels. In favor, of course, to the bad cholesterol.

[Steve]

Many of the unwanted side effects of testosterone and anabolic steroids come from their androgenic properties. These drugs can raise blood levels of testosterone, causing side effects which vary from person to person.

The most common side effects in both men and women include increased facial and body hair, oily skin or acne, male pattern baldness, water retention, joint stiffness, and soreness at the injection site. Lab tests may show increased levels of liver enzymes. A deepened or hoarsened voice, growth of the clitoris, and menstrual irregularities have been reported in women. The masculinizing side effects may be irreversible in women, even with short term use.

At higher doses over longer periods, increased or decreased sex drive, mood swings, aggressive behaviour, persistent painful erections, shrinking testicles, and breast growth have been reported in men. Long term use of high dose anabolics can damage the liver, causing jaundice, hepatitis, bleeding, or, possibly, cancer.

Deca-Durabolin is probably the most popular anabolic used in the treatment of HIV-related weight loss. It has a low rate of side effects and a high anabolic effect. The drug is given by injection into a muscle, at doses ranging from 50-200 mg, every 2-4 weeks for up to 12 weeks. After four weeks off drug, another cycle of treatment can be started. The androgenic side effects of Deca-Durabolin are much milder than those of testosterone.

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[Steve]

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[Gearhead]

I personally would not mess with test..(gearhead ducks)..I did not like it..Although I would recomment deca 300 as a blend..for sure..this helps the ligaments and joints from the rapid growth your body went throgh..The weight gain for just deca alone is minimal but with a blend is acomidated(spelling)??
Steve has just showed you the cons in a nutshell...so I wont touch on it.

[galileo]

I think I pretty much cleared this up in my last post.

Test is the best.

Deca can leave you totally suppressed for extended periods of time. My friend was shut down for 6 months after using it at around 250mg for a normal cycle length. Is that "safe?" No. No amount of HCG/Clomid could bring him back.

Here is a study to back it up. Two users, one who used very heavily, and the other who used just Deca (nandrolone).

Can T levels be restored in former anabolic steroid users?

The Study: Two hypogonadal former anabolic steroid users were studied. Normal levels of LH are >3.6 IU/L and Testosterone are 300—1000 ng/dl. Former anabolic steroid users often have suppressed levels of both.

The Results: Subject #1 is a 6', 206lb former user of 500—2000+ grams per week of anabolics. His baseline numbers were: LH<1IU/L, Test=191ng/dl. This suject underwent a 32 day treatment of 2500 IU of HCG every 4 days, 50 mg of clomid 2 times per day, and 10 mg nolvadex per day. 15 days after treatment his numbers were: LH=5.2IU/L, Test=1072 ng/dl.

Subject #2 is a 5'10", 184lb male who used 400 mg per week of nandrolone. His baseline numbers were: LH<1IU/L, Test=45ng/dl. This subject's 32 day treatment consisted of 2500 IU of HCG every 4 days, 50 mg of clomid 2 times per day, and 10 mg nolvadex per day. There was no change. He underwent another treatment consisting of 60 days of 5000 IU of HCG every 4 days for 4 injections, then 2500 IU every 4 days for 4 injections, 50 mg of clomid 2 times per day, and 10 mg nolvadex per day. Still, no change. For the next 32 days, this subject received 5000 IU of HCG every other day for 6 injections, then 2500 IU every other day for 6 injections given with 150 IU of menotropins, 50 mg of clomid 2 times per day, and 10 mg nolvadex 2 times per day. 15 days after treatment his numbers were: LH=9.8IU/L, Test=507 ng/dl.(20)

Long story short, the second subject had to go on post-cycle therapy for a total of 124 days before his numbers were up to par, and they were still not good.

Deca does not help your joints. Where the **** do people get these ideas?

Nandrolones interact with corticoids, mainly cortisone. By preventing inflamation from corticoids to damaged tissue a person experiences less pain which can lead to more severe damage to the tissue because you are unable to precieve the pain you normally would if you are damaging the tissue.

End of story.

[Lee J B]

Deca Dick

[Steve]

Originally posted by galileo
My friend was shut down for 6 months after using it at around 250mg for a normal cycle length.

Galileo, I'm sure that wouldn't happen to EVERYBODY who does a Deca cycle.

Steve

[Gearhead]

Galileo,
Everyone who has juiced has heard your story.
Everyone who juices or has juiced should know the pros and cons.They also need to know some cold hard facts....experience...and advice and that is what I was giving....end of story.

[Gearhead]

damn enter button..sorry..I would like to thank you for your comment on deca and the joints..I will most definatly look into that,.,.but lets not call me ideas fuc*ing stuff ok....That is what I have percieved and learned from and if I write it I believe it...

[galileo]

1. I posted a study to back up the suppression. It happens to a lot of people, especially on deca alone. A study, not just an anecdote. Do a search. These aren't "stories."

2. "Where the f*ck do people get these ideas?" I never said the idea was "****ing," although that is a wonderful sentiment. If you research the science behind your steroids, you'd not spread fallacies about the things the drugs can/don't do. Way too many people take drugs without reading one study about their effects. Listening to dealers and "friends" at the gym will get you ****ed up.

3. I think deca-dick is the least of anyone's concerns.

[Fudomyo]

I don't think it'd hard to tell where people got Deca is good for your joints. It binds to the same receptor as cortisol, which will reduce swelling and will make your joints feel much better. The only problem being that your tendons/ligaments don't heal as quickly since collgenase activity is down regulated. Just like if you got a nice shot of cortisone.

galileo: cortisone doesn't cause the inflamation as you stated.

Fudo

[galileo]

I just re-read what I typed and since I was jumping around I actually misspoke.

Cortisone-type drugs reduce swelling and lessen pain and can allow an athlete or exerciser to get back to sports, but cortisone injections weaken the tendons for more than 84

Couple that with the previous quote and you get your answer.

[Gearhead]

Actually i did research it i guess I just misunderstood the drug a little. I actually like it but used it only twice. But i do appreciate the jest on it..I will have to research this drug a little more..peace