Pro-Hormone

[LifterMike]

Editted this question to a little more specific since i found the pro-hormone FAQ... If I decide to take pro-hormone, what brand do you guys recommend?

[SinTek]

Do a search for it.

[Gooseneck]

Pro-hormones are precursors to steroids, in other words, they convert into a steroid naturally by the body. They DO have strong side-effects like steroids, sometimes worse compared to the gains you get. Muscle gains are usually solid, but minimal.

Do a search, not only here, but elsewhere to get the whole schpeel.

[LifterMike]

Yes, thanks again, I feel stupid for the original thread and so I'd like to salvage it by asking what brand of PH any of you have maybe tried in the past that you got good results on, that said I will not even consider purchasing a PH (leaning toward the nor-andro) without the medicine for PCT already in hand. :

[beefcurry1]

right now im on my first cycle of 1-test 4-ad. i have a journal documenting whats going on if you want to check it out. you have the right idea waiting till you have the pst before you start. the last thing you want is finding out your shipment is lost and you are 2 days from ending your cycle. keep reading. good info here but there are a lot of other forums mainly dedicated to ph. (not that there isnt a wealth of knowledge here but their arent a LOT of ph users here)

[SinTek]

Well first off don't feel stupid. Asking is for help is far better then just jumping into something. Just need to remember to search for topics as broad as this. If you do take the PH route make sure to get training and *diet* in order as well as your PCT. Just make sure you know a bit more than your friend seems to .

[LifterMike]

Did some more research would like someone to disprove or verify this claim if possible: "4-androstenediol (4-AD) is an anabolic testosterone precursor much like androstenedione and cousin 5-Androstenediol. The main benefits it has over regular andro are: Three times the effectiveness, no conversion to estrodiol or DHT, and it's more anabolic." NO conversion to estrogen or DHT??? sounds like a miracle drug wouldnt that potentially remove the need for PCT?? Sounds like BS but not sure.

[albanese9]

you will still need pct with 4-ad. i am currently on a t-1 pro (5g 1-test and 2.5g 4-ad in a t-gel) cycle. i am on week two and havent noticed any gains yet but this is the point where i start to see them. from my research and experience 4-ad is better when stacked with something like 1-test or m 1-t, etc. also when on PH your calorie/protein intake should almost double.