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Old 25-Jul-02, 10:26 PM   #1
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question about protein and amino acids


I wanted to know what is the difference between protein and amino acids? I know that amino acids are naturally in every type of protein powder so what really is the difference?
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Old 25-Jul-02, 10:45 PM   #2
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If memory serves, protein is just exactly 21 amino acids, all chained together. I probably have the number wrong, but that's the only difference.

The acid in your stomach rapidly unzips these bonds and the amino acids are then absorbed in your small intestine.

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Old 25-Jul-02, 10:56 PM   #3
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For Amino Acid Supplementation

Against Amino Acid Supplementation (scroll down to paragraph 13)
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Old 25-Jul-02, 11:28 PM   #4
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Thanks for the info. I asked cause I read about people talking about protein and amino acids and they are saying that it's different and has different absorbtion, etc. So amino acids are only in protein powders and not in whole foods?
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Old 26-Jul-02, 05:55 PM   #5
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An amino acid is a nucleic acid that exists in all cells in the cody. Basically, your DNA has a certain gene for coding a protein (in our case, skeletal muscle). the gene is the instructions on how to arrange a number of amino acids in a specific combination to form a protein.
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Old 26-Jul-02, 06:25 PM   #6
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Normally your body breaks down animal and plant proteins prior to rebuilding them to what it needs. Taking amino acids directly saves that step.
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Old 26-Jul-02, 09:40 PM   #7
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Many people confuse amino acids and proteins or believe they are synonymous. Amino acids are the building blocks of proteins. A protein is a chemical compound that contains the same atoms as carbohydrates and fats, which are carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen--but protein is different in that it also contains nitrogen atoms. These carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen atoms are arranged into amino acids, which are linked into chains to form proteins.

There are 22 amino acids important to human nutrition. Nine of these are essential amino acids, meaning the body cannot make them. Instead they need to be provided in the diet. The body can produce the other 13. The role of protein in food is not to provide our bodies with proteins directly, but to supply the amino acids from which the body can make its own proteins. When we eat a diet that supplies each essential amino acid in adequate amounts, our body supports protein synthesis.

Here is a list the amino acids, including the nine essential amino acids, that are required to make up proteins in human nutrition.

AMINO ACIDS

Essential Amino Acids
Histidine
Isoleucine
Leucine
Lysine
Methionine
Phenylalanine
Threonine
Tryptophan
Valine

Other Amino Acids
Alanine
Arginine
Asparagine
Aspartic acid
Cysteine
Glutamic acid
Glutamine
Glycine
Proline
Serine
Tyrosine

To make protein, cells must have all the needed amino acids available simultaneously. Therefore, the first important characteristic of protein in our diet, with respect to protein, is that it should supply at least the nine essential amino acids for the synthesis of others, to make proteins. If one amino acid is supplied in an amount smaller than needed, the total amount of protein that can be synthesized from others will be limited.

It is impossible to produce a partial protein. Only complete ones can be made. A diet that contains an imbalance of amino acids is a diet containing poor protein quality. When the body attempts to use the amino acids supply from such a diet, it wastes many amino acids. In the absence of one, it can't use the others and it has no place to store them.

Each food has its own characteristic amino acid balance, and when foods are combined, they almost invariably supply plenty of essential amino acids. In countries where protein is scarce and/or only one protein rich food is eaten regularly, the quality of that particular food's protein is crucially important to people's health and particularly important to children's development.

A complete protein is one that contains all of the essential amino acids in about the same amount the human body requires--and it may or may not contain all of the other amino acids the body can make. People generally associate complete protein with such foods as meats and eggs, but not with plant foods.

Generally, proteins derived from animal foods such as meat, fish, poultry, eggs, and milk are a complete source of protein. Those derived from plant foods such as vegetables, grains, and beans vary more than meat and dairy. If you derive most or all of a day's food energy from rice or potatoes, for example, you will not obtain all of the needed essential amino acids. However, when two plant proteins, each containing the amino acids that the other lacks, are eaten at the same meal, they can make up an acceptably complete protein.

Completeness is not the only issue with respect to protein quality. For the highest quality, proteins must not only be complete but also digestible, so that the sufficient numbers of amino acids reach the body's cells to permit them to make the proteins they need. Although the proteins of rice and potatoes are of high quality when combined together, perhaps the best form of protein comes from eggs. Egg protein tends to be retained in the body, which indicates that it is utilized with little waste. In fact, egg protein has been designated the reference protein for the purpose of measuring protein quality, which is called a protein efficiency ratio (PER). Whey protein also has a very high PER.

To summarize, for the body to use proteins with maximum efficiency, they must contain the essential amino acids, must be digestible, and must be consumed with sufficient energy from other sources, such as complex carbohydrates, so that amino acids will not be used for energy, but rather to help build and repair muscle tissue. They must also be accompanied by the vitamins and minerals needed to facilitate their use, and must be received by a healthy body able to use them.

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cursor wrote:

A complete protein is one that contains all of the essential amino acids in about the same amount the human body requires-
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What is the amino acid profile of what the human body requires?

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Wow, that's some great info. Thanks for the info.
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A complete protein is one that contains all of the essential amino acids in about the same amount the human body requires-
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What is the amino acid profile of what the human body requires?

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I'm still researching exactly what that means. The specifics have eluded me thus far. As I discover more more information on the topic I'll certainly publish it.

In connection with your question, one of my current research projects involves the quantification and tabulation of specific amino acid profiles offered by a large list of food types. My purpose is to potentially offer a simple means to identify exactly how much complete protein one consumes during a day—not just from the standard chicken breasts & egg whites, but from combinations of all foods.

It's well known (perhaps not...) that by eating combined vegetable proteins (generally incomplete), with differing (but complementary) amino acid profiles, your body can break down the offerings and then build complete proteins. All the body cares is that it be supplied the right complementary base ingredients so that it can create a pool of amino acid resources.

example: rice & beans
Rice (grain) is low in isoleucine and lysine (but high in methonionine and tryptophan). Beans (legumes) are low in methionine and tryptophan (but high in isoleucine and lysine). Consumed within the same day, they provide the body with the required amino acid pool to create complete proteins for tissue reconstruction.

Logically, other effective combinations exist.

What I'm particularly interested in (as I think we all should be) is quantifying just exactly how much complete (tissue-building) protein potential I'm pumping into my body. What is the ratio of rice to beans that offers optimal protein formation (1 portion of rice to 1-1/2 portions of beans, perhaps...)? Just how many grams of complete protein does that supply me? There is no doubt that the amino acid profile of egg whites offers some excess amounts of amino acids that could add to the dificiencies in other foods consumed during the day. The same must hold true for chicken, fish, cottage cheese, etc.

Sorry to get carried away

It's amazing to me how difficult is is to find this type of specific information—even from vegetarian sources.

By the way, the body, through assimilation of amino acids, produces over 50,000 proteins and over 15,000 enzymes.

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Old 02-Dec-02, 06:16 AM   #11
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Cursor, do you know the protein efficiency ratio of tuna fish??
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