steroids and how much/when to use them?

karlos22 · 08-Apr-04, 06:37 AM

my cousin and brother have just started using roids, ones using deca 100 and the other sustanon (dont know the mg).

both have only started working out because of the roids and never worked out much before jumping on them. although thier both fairly fit.
can doing this cause damage as they've had no natural gains and have basically just jumped into it without sorting out thier diets and training schedules. (basic idea is to eat lots and then abit more)

i've tried talking them into using it sensibily but both just have the mentality of wanting big gains fast without the hard work and dedecation of working out every day.

any advice for these guys or thoughts on how to talk them into controlled usage? (my cousin has already had a cycle on deca and is now doubling this cycle and stacking after reading the 'normal usage' he found off the net).

i'll find out their dosages and report back.

Lee J B · 08-Apr-04, 08:08 AM

I can rate your guys health on a scale of one to ten, one being worst and ten being best .... they're hovering around -10. I can't even begin to tell you what harm they are doing to themselves, they seriously need to get clued up VERY fast. You don't just jump into a cycle of deca, and without having nutrition and training dialed in it's madness they won't be gaining much I can tell you that now. Also, the one using deca only is in big trouble, that's a big NO NO never use deca on it's own. How long have they been taking them ? Do they have therapy for post-cycle ? Their stupidity is equal to just about anything you can think of, they realise worst case sceanario (sp?) of steroid abuse in the long term is death right ? Sure, nobody ever died from taking steroids, but they did die a year later from liver failure and other nasty's of misuse. This is why these drugs are banned.

Streax · 08-Apr-04, 12:38 PM

There is a natural law that will take care of these two guys... Darwinism. If these two phucking idiots don't kill themselves, hopefully they will at least render themselves infertile so that they can't reproduce.

Sounds harsh, but words can not describe how absolutely retarded they are. Lee covered some of it, but there isn't enough room to discuss all the ways that they are stupid just from the small amount of information that you gave.

I would like to see some before, end of cycle, then 2 months after cycle pics... they could serve as the poster children for newbies who want to do Steroids/PH's.

BigPete · 08-Apr-04, 01:36 PM

Speaking of stupidity, Lee do you remember my friend who started steroids? well hes taking 9 a day now, 7 dianabol's and 2 oxymetholone's

surely he is a -1000000 on your scale

Lee J B · 08-Apr-04, 02:27 PM

That's serious stuff Pete ... you really need to talk to him before he ends up in casualty with a failing liver.

BigPete · 08-Apr-04, 02:44 PM

Yeah he's a hard head man, i cant speak no sense to him, he's gaining some crazy weight though, by the end of his cycle hes gonna be like 16st and hes only like 5'4 ish, how stupid will that look?

Lee J B · 08-Apr-04, 03:10 PM

Yeah it will look pretty freakish, really not worth it though.

**Gooseneck** · 08-Apr-04, 06:02 PM

I hope your one friend enjoys a good case of "Deca D*ck". They're both gonna gain a bunch of fat in the long run long after the cycle is over. What a bunch of morons.

karlos22 · 08-Apr-04, 11:12 PM

ok yea lets not wish death on them... they are my family. but seriously what other things should they be taking to even things out? what sort of therapy post cycle do you mean?
and the one using sustanon is having about 2-3 injections a week, dont know how much though. sound like too much for a first time cycle?

thier both fairly fit, not big but good health for 20yds.

Streax · 08-Apr-04, 11:27 PM

what other things should they be taking to even things out?

A good bitch slapping from you for starters. Why are you letting them hurt themselves when we all tell you they are being incredibly foolish?

The fact that you/they don't even know what PCT tells me a WHOLE lot. They are going to crash hard... what I mean by that, is they will make some pretty good gains during the cycle most likely, but as soon as they get off, their estrogen levels will go crazy, their test levels will be ****, they won't know what to do. They will probably lose all the muscle the gained on cycle and then some, and then put on a lot of of fat because of the high estrogen levels. Just hope they don't get nice set of bitties. Then you could call him your sister.

I am as serious as a heart attack. This is NOT the type of **** that anyone should be doing without perfectly planning it out, and being fully aware and knowledgeable of the risks and what to look out for and how to fix it if things go wrong. No one is going to be able to tell them 1/1000th of what one NEEDS to know before taking steroids. Especially in a simple thread like this.

karlos22 · 09-Apr-04, 12:27 AM

theres not much i can do though, every time i try and tell them this **** we end up having a huge argument, i get pissed off and dont see them for a couple days. i'm hoping i can show them this post so they realise its not just me making **** up to try and scare them off using!

plus thier already on thier first week of the cycle so they'll probably finish this one no matter what.

**Gooseneck** · 09-Apr-04, 10:00 AM

Print this thread out and leave it somewhere for them to read. Like you said though, they'll probably finish this cycle no matter what, especially when they're all hormoned up right now.

barryboy · 12-Apr-04, 11:12 PM

The sustanon is most likely 250 mg's. That is the typical dosage for sustanon. He needs to watch out for mexican sustanon right now though. There has been a rash of infected redijects from the organon company that is located in mexico. Schering is a good company to get sustanon from. Its a european based company but availability in the US is pretty good. These buddies of yours really need to be careful. Jumping straight into a cycle without intense training for years isnt exactly the healthiest thing to do. They will both be battling with gyno "bitch tits" and will have a horrible drop in natural production of testicular testosterone. What are these guys lifestyles like? What is their profession? Do they have any heart problems in their families or high blood pressure?

PowerManDL · 13-Apr-04, 01:52 AM

I'd try to direct them to a place that sells arimidex and clomid. Otherwise they're in for a problem.

I hope your boy using deca only isn't too concerned about having kids or otherwise having his testicles functioning again.

Though I agree. Anybody that's never touched a weight and dives into this without having a clue deserves what they get.

barryboy · 15-Apr-04, 02:08 PM

Arimidex wouldnt necessarily be the smartest thing to do because of what it does to a man's cholesterol levels. LDL goes way up and your HDL goes down. If estrogen is a big problem limit the arimidex to no more than a week. Nolvadex is a good alternative to arimidex. It doesnt completely distinguish the estrogen in your body like arimidex, but it will render the estrogen un-bindable to the estrogen sites. Nolvadex also turns your cholesterol to a good ratio of HDL to LDL. This might truly be a concern since these boys of yours are just jumping into these stacks not necessarily being in very good shape to begin with.