Supplements???

[JAKewagner]

Originally Posted by Eric_B

The most I've seen recommended by industry professionals (not from the bodybuilding/powerlifting community) is 2g/kg of bodyweight. That's a little less than 1g/lb of bodyweight.

But looking at it from the perspective of bodybuilding and powerlifting professionals, many of these athletes take in more than 2g/lb of bodyweight with very positive results. This has been done for years, so it's pretty hard to argue against it. With a "proper" high-protein diet, one can usually avoid the negative side-effects of vitamin&mineral loss, dehydradtion, and osteoporosis. The athletes are usually supplementing their vitamins and minerals, drinking tons of water, and lifting heavy weights which increases bone density and decreases risk of osteoporosis.

how much protein do you intake??

[Eric_B]

I weigh about 190 lbs, and I try to get around 250g. So that's about 1.3g/lb of bodyweight and it's worked great for me. I've had noticeably better results when my protein intake is greater than 1g/lb.

But that's not really related to the current discussion....

[JAKewagner]

Originally Posted by Eric_B

I weigh about 190 lbs, and I try to get around 250g. So that's about 1.3g/lb of bodyweight and it's worked great for me. I've had noticeably better results when my protein intake is greater than 1g/lb.

But that's not really related to the current discussion....

how long have you been training??

[Eric_B]

Probably 3-4 years, but if you want to talk about my personal training then PM me, because you're losing focus of the topic.

We're talking about protein intakes of strength athletes in general, not just me.

[.V.]

I'm personally eating approximately 1.5g/lb of protein, that's bodyweight not LBM. I'm feeding my fat too cuz it gets hungry just like the rest of me. I'd go for 2g/lb but can't eat anymore food.

When I started paying attention to such things, I had symptoms of DMII, was diagnosed with metabolic syndrome, had difficulty walking on my own because my muscles were weakened from MS and at 300lbs they weren't strong enough to carry me. Signs of early onset of heart disease. Good cholesterol was way too low, bad cholesterol was way too high.

Now, a little over 3 years later, I'm the healthiest I've ever been. All my labs are perfect. Renal function is perfect. Liver values are always perfect. The MS still robs my strength but with hard work, I always get it back. Now I'm 205lbs, stronger and healthier than before, not too fat (don't know current percentage, but do have visible abs and veins all over me for whatever that's worth).

Is it possible that too much protein is harmful? Maybe, but I've never seen any evidence that it is harmful to anyone with healthy hepatic and renal function. The two docs that guide me in my efforts insist that higher protein is not harmful, but that it's rather beneficial instead.

Is it needed? Possibly not, but I know that building muscle and strength is easier with a protein surplus.

I'll keep on eating mine. Anyone who differs in opinion is welcome to take in less. When I add 20 or 30 pounds over the rest of winter and spring, anyone who doesn't want to eat the amount of protein I'm eating - good. That leaves more for me.

If I die from it, well at least I had fun getting there.

[JAKewagner]

Originally Posted by a_welch503

I'm personally eating approximately 1.5g/lb of protein, that's bodyweight not LBM. I'm feeding my fat too cuz it gets hungry just like the rest of me. I'd go for 2g/lb but can't eat anymore food.

When I started paying attention to such things, I had symptoms of DMII, was diagnosed with metabolic syndrome, had difficulty walking on my own because my muscles were weakened from MS and at 300lbs they weren't strong enough to carry me. Signs of early onset of heart disease. Good cholesterol was way too low, bad cholesterol was way too high.

Now, a little over 3 years later, I'm the healthiest I've ever been. All my labs are perfect. Renal function is perfect. Liver values are always perfect. The MS still robs my strength but with hard work, I always get it back. Now I'm 205lbs, stronger and healthier than before, not too fat (don't know current percentage, but do have visible abs and veins all over me for whatever that's worth).

Is it possible that too much protein is harmful? Maybe, but I've never seen any evidence that it is harmful to anyone with healthy hepatic and renal function. The two docs that guide me in my efforts insist that higher protein is not harmful, but that it's rather beneficial instead.

Is it needed? Possibly not, but I know that building muscle and strength is easier with a protein surplus.

I'll keep on eating mine. Anyone who differs in opinion is welcome to take in less. When I add 20 or 30 pounds over the rest of winter and spring, anyone who doesn't want to eat the amount of protein I'm eating - good. That leaves more for me.

If I die from it, well at least I had fun getting there.

i really think you will have a hard time putting that much mass in that sort of time frame. no matter how much protein you are eating. and just because you are as healthly as you have ever been, does not mean it is from the amount of protein you are eating. for the record Gluttony and vanity are vices,not virtues

[F_Mac]

Originally Posted by JAKewagner

i really think you will have a hard time putting that much mass in that sort of time frame. no matter how much protein you are eating. and just because you are as healthly as you have ever been, does not mean it is from the amount of protein you are eating. for the record Gluttony and vanity are vices,not virtues

You really need to lay off the "holier than thou" attitude. Everyone in this thread had been more than tolerant with a lot of the things you have said. Andy is the perfect example.........who the hell are you to tell him he can't put on that kind of mass? You don't know a thing about him or his capabilities.

In fact, if anyone on here can do it, I would say it would be Andy.

You've been lifting for 21 weeks and talked to a PT and a doctor and all of a sudden you're an expert on all things fitness/bodybuilding related?

[.V.]

Gluttony? Yeah, I feel that way sometimes. But it's required.

Vanity? Hardly. For me, it's survival.

[JAKewagner]

Originally Posted by F-Mac

You really need to lay off the "holier than thou" attitude. Everyone in this thread had been more than tolerant with a lot of the things you have said. Andy is the perfect example.........who the hell are you to tell him he can't put on that kind of mass? You don't know a thing about him or his capabilities.

In fact, if anyone on here can do it, I would say it would be Andy.

You've been lifting for 21 weeks and talked to a PT and a doctor and all of a sudden you're an expert on all things fitness/bodybuilding related?

for one i think you need to read what i posted one more time... i said it would be hard and i think he willl agree will me that it will be very hard to do so...and the other thing about gluttony and stuff....it was more of a joke then anything.. and yes i do no what im talking about i would not say it if i did not...its just as much true as anything i have heard from anyone else.... and i no you can put on that much mass that fast i have done it(when i was lighter).....so if your training skills are anything like your listening skills i feel sorry for you.... so please just chill out think andy knows that it a joke..because there was nothing else to say to him he is going to do what he is going to do... so as one last jab at him(all in good fun i was not mocking him or cutting at him in any way) i said those things to him...and i have been training for 21 weeks sence i came back from my illness ... i have be trainin for 3 years and i have gained 60 pounds....with takeing a year off (illness) so i do no that you can put weight like that on and i no that it is really hard...and my testosterone has not dropped off like his( because of age) and it was still hard.... so mac just chill you really dont no what you are talking about

[.V.]

With enough protein, I don't need much testosterone.

My level isn't much lower than the average 87 year old ladies'. Besides as long as I have a pancreas to make insulin, some dextrose to hit it with, and can keep my sensitivity up I know how to get all those nutrients into the muscles. Insulin is much more anabolic than testosterone anyway.

Besides, it seems that the smaller you are the easier it is to make gains. I'm only 205 right now. Gaining is easier for me than for someone who is 240.

[JAKewagner]

Originally Posted by a_welch503

With enough protein, I don't need much testosterone.

My level isn't much lower than the average 87 year old ladies'. Besides as long as I have a pancreas to make insulin, some dextrose to hit it with, and can keep my sensitivity up I know how to get all those nutrients into the muscles. Insulin is much more anabolic than testosterone anyway.

Besides, it seems that the smaller you are the easier it is to make gains. I'm only 205 right now. Gaining is easier for me than for someone who is 240.

testosterone makes things easy when you are trying get big.but by the things you have said it does not seem like you have had it very easy in your training. and as far as putting on mass there is a lot of things that go into it.like how big your muscles bellys are you over all shape and frame.

[.V.]

It's not that difficult, just takes hard work and some oreos once in a while. There was a scientific formula posted here once that explained it all. It was all mathematically worked out. I did have a hard time, will never be a mass monster. Do have to work very hard to accomplish anything. But the formula helps.

Here it is:

Eat+Sleep+Lift=Grow

[JAKewagner]

Originally Posted by a_welch503

Here it is:

Eat+Sleep+Lift=Grow

this is one thing i think i will agree with you on, thats the way it is done.

[.V.]

Cool, want half of my protein shake? I'm having cookies with it.

[Maxgain]

Originally Posted by a_welch503

With enough protein, I don't need much testosterone.

Thats about as true as the initial thread discussions of egesting/excreting too much protein.