supplements and kidneys

[orangeman]

Hello,

I have recently begun a pretty intense workout routine and have begun using supplements. I am a collegiate athlete, and have always been in shape and fit throughout high school. This summer I am looking to gain some weight and build muscle. I am currently using a protein mass-gainer, creatine, glutamine, zma caps, amino caps, and multi vitamins. I am of course drinking tons of water throughout the day, keeping hydrated and eating large, healthy meals. The only concern or warning I have heard about supplements from nurses/doctors is to "watch my kidneys". I am using the recommended serving sizes, is their anything I should be worried about? For now, that is all I am taking, although I may add hmb, nitrox, methoxy, ecdysterone, and tribesterone. I don't want to over do it, or harm my kidneys or body in any way. I simply want to add some serious mass and strength, and this summer is a great time to start. What do you all think? Thanks

[DAG447]

Don't worry dude! All the "kidney" junk of high protein diets was recently described to me by the popular Iron Addict (I hired him as personal trainer). He said, when dialyses first came up (40-50s something, dont remember exactly) people found out that dialyses clients do not respond well to high protein in diets and that it had to be kept low...sooooo....all the "brains" associated that higher protein must be bad for healthy clients as well. oink

[m@xpower]

Steriods and pro hormones are hard on kidneys and liver.

And also, some fat burners. Or i think they are because some say not to use if you had pass liver and kidney problem.

[pmcgough]

Originally Posted by orangeman

For now, that is all I am taking, although I may add methoxy and ecdysterone

terrible products...nitrix and hmb's are good though

[orangeman]

alright, so stay away from methoxy and ecdysterone? what about people's experience with flax seed and/or fish oil? A few different brands are offered at my local grocery store i noticed today, what should I look for, and are these grocery store brands okay? Thanks

[nic6paul]

Fish oil is good stuff....i use it daily i take about 8-15 caps per day. Love the stuff, as for brand for the most part it doesnt matter just make sure they are quality. I usually pick up a jug at vitamin world good prices there.

[Maxgain]

Originally Posted by nic6paul

Fish oil is good stuff....i use it daily i take about 8-15 caps per day. Love the stuff, as for brand for the most part it doesnt matter just make sure they are quality. I usually pick up a jug at vitamin world good prices there.

How much EPA/DHA in each capsule do you tak because if it the standar 300mg total i would not recommend going over 10 capsules you get the same effect but do not have the risk of glucose intolerance.

[nic6paul]

Originally Posted by Maxgain

How much EPA/DHA in each capsule do you tak because if it the standar 300mg total i would not recommend going over 10 capsules you get the same effect but do not have the risk of glucose intolerance.

Can i ask where you get more info about high fish oil intake causing glucose intolerance? I found this and i think it says the opposite of what you are:

Glucose tolerance improves in healthy people taking omega-3 fatty acid supplements. 224 Some studies have found that fish oil supplementation improves glucose tolerance, 225 high triglycerides, 226 and cholesterol levels in people with diabetes. 227 However, other studies have found that cholesterol increases 228 and diabetes worsens with fish oil supplementation. 229, 230, 231

Until this issue is resolved, people with diabetes should feel free to increase their fish intake, but they should consult a doctor before taking fish oil supplements. Sometimes, such supplementation may be considered. In one trial, people with diabetic neuropathy and diabetic nephropathy experienced significant improvement when given 600 mg three times per day of purified EPA-one of the two major omega-3 fatty acids found in fish oil supplements-for 48 weeks. 232

It is almost like a flip of the coin one study says it can increase cholesterol and worsen diabetes but another study says glucose tolerance improves......which is right. Also here is where i got this quote from http://www.altabates.com/health/heal..._id=hn-1202003

[Grey Ghost]

I thought creatine was banned in NCAA.

[Rats!]

in that case, everyone would be banned from the NCAA. Creatine is naturally produced in your body.

[pmcgough]

not in nearly the same amount as supplementation

[Maxgain]

Originally Posted by Rats!

in that case, everyone would be banned from the NCAA. Creatine is naturally produced in your body.

So is testosterone and growth hormone

[Maxgain]

Originally Posted by nic6paul

Can i ask where you get more info about high fish oil intake causing glucose intolerance? I found this and i think it says the opposite of what you are:

It is almost like a flip of the coin one study says it can increase cholesterol and worsen diabetes but another study says glucose tolerance improves......which is right. Also here is where i got this quote from http://www.altabates.com/health/heal..._id=hn-1202003

Glucose intolerance improves with fish oil intake up to a certain intake where after its effects negatively impair this. This has been shown with studies using 4 - 10g EPA/DHA a day which led the FDa to recommend 3g as a safe limit for intake. Do not forget also the strong inverse correlation between EPA/DHa and androgen formation in the body either.

[SemiNoob]

I don't understand how some of you guys claim it's not bad for the kidneys. I am not an expert on nutrition, supplements or medicine but it's common sense to me that besides how hard creatine is to process, the huge quanity of water you have to consome and thus process through the body, has to have an adverse effect on your body. Just think of it this way, you're going to run to the bathroom every 20-30 min, you really think its a good thing to keep p#ssing everything out?

[Maxgain]

Your body adopts and you dont have to go every half hour then. You are right you can take too much water and lead to electrolyte depletion but this is only if you take too much at once.
Look at it this way you are 70% water I think its a good idea to have a good turn over through out your body.