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05-Jul-05, 01:08 PM
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Hi Drama Queen
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explain to me the difference between taking male hormone and female hormones (aka birth control pills). when a woman takes birth control pills, her normal production of estrogen is inhibited. it takes anywhere from one to three months after cessation to get her own production back up to speed.
it's totally different from estrogen hormone replacement therapy, which is called for when natural levels have decreased and supplements are used to bring them back up to where they "should" be (ie, to the levels of a younger woman).
http://www.cenegenics.com/conference/041404doc.html
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Testicular atrophy is associated with direct testosterone replacement only and occurs in 10 to 12% of treated individuals. Recovery takes place over 8-12 weeks after stopping injections.
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also mentions a few other interesting side effects. again, these are doses used to treat hypogonadism as a result of andropause. i would imagine the effects are compounded if hGH is given to a perfectly normal male with perfectly normal serum levels, much less to someone who's at a stage of elevated production already.
if you have other information that clarifies, i'd be interested in reading it.
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27/01/06: bench - 170; squat - 195 (wrapped); deadlift - 210; total - 575; need - 617; to go - 42
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05-Jul-05, 01:27 PM
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explain to me the difference between taking male hormone and female hormones (aka birth control pills). when a woman takes birth control pills, her normal production of estrogen is inhibited. it takes anywhere from one to three months after cessation to get her own production back up to speed.
it's totally different from estrogen hormone replacement therapy, which is called for when natural levels have decreased and supplements are used to bring them back up to where they "should" be (ie, to the levels of a younger woman).
http://www.cenegenics.com/conference/041404doc.html
also mentions a few other interesting side effects. again, these are doses used to treat hypogonadism as a result of andropause. i would imagine the effects are compounded if hGH is given to a perfectly normal male with perfectly normal serum levels, much less to someone who's at a stage of elevated production already.
if you have other information that clarifies, i'd be interested in reading it.
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Testosterone replacement therapy causes testicular atrophy, zits, all that stuff...Human Growth Hormone replacement therapy causes none of these side effects
the one side from HGH injections(b/c the creams and sprays and pills are scams) is that it can lead to organ enlargement with overuse...but i hate to break it to you, but so does weight training...organs are muscles, and the are stressed when we eat, lift, even talk...so hgh does the same thing that weight training can do...
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05-Jul-05, 01:46 PM
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there is a mixup here between hgh and testosterone however organ enlargement is not the one side effect. I have posted just a few of them though i thinks it is the other post on hgh
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05-Jul-05, 02:09 PM
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HGH acts completely seperate from testosterone. HGH actually splits and produces additional muscular cells, which in turn grow exponentially with the use of test. Steroids alone only help what you already have grow larger.
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05-Jul-05, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Gooseneck
HGH acts completely seperate from testosterone. HGH actually splits and produces additional muscular cells, which in turn grow exponentially with the use of test. Steroids alone only help what you already have grow larger.
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and thats why stacking them works so beatifully........if only i had the money for it and a doctor to monitor the cycle
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05-Jul-05, 03:49 PM
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Hi Drama Queen
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<banging head off keyboard> you know what? i think it'd just be easier to take a degree in endocrinology.
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27/01/06: bench - 170; squat - 195 (wrapped); deadlift - 210; total - 575; need - 617; to go - 42
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05-Jul-05, 10:42 PM
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i hope you actually did bang ur head on the keyboard hahahahahahha
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06-Jul-05, 06:49 AM
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Hi Drama Queen
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just to please you. 
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Goals: bench - 200; squat - 225; deadlift - 225
27/01/06: bench - 170; squat - 195 (wrapped); deadlift - 210; total - 575; need - 617; to go - 42
"Illegitimi non carborundum"
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13-Jul-05, 05:46 PM
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Do you have before/after pictures of yourself since you have been using HGH. My curiousity is killing me. Do you have a recent one of you ---you can post. So we all have an idea of just how affective it has been for you. I dont know too much about HGH. But I have heard it can have some nasty side affects... Have you had any? How long have you been using it... How fast did you see results? Just thought I would ask. Your post Intrigued me.
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17-Jul-05, 12:36 AM
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I too would like to hear about the results. I would also like to hear where you can get HGH legally, here in Illinois it is considered a controlled substance and is a class four felony.
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17-Jul-05, 10:25 AM
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well, in the u.s its a class 3 narcotic just like steroids...
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17-Jul-05, 10:27 AM
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well, in the u.s its a class 3 narcotic just like steroids...you need a prescription...i could give you websites of where to get it, but that'd be source posting, so i cant tell you
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17-Jul-05, 10:30 AM
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Hi Drama Queen
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why would steroids be classed as a narcotic when they're nothing of the sort?
they're a "schedule III" substance requiring a prescription under federal law, which is the same class as opium, mrophine, methamphetamine, etc. various states have their own classifications, as well.
quite frankly, i'm not surprised no one's worried: the penalties are pretty pathetic.
http://www.elitefitness.com/members/...aw/history.htm
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Goals: bench - 200; squat - 225; deadlift - 225
27/01/06: bench - 170; squat - 195 (wrapped); deadlift - 210; total - 575; need - 617; to go - 42
"Illegitimi non carborundum"
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17-Jul-05, 07:04 PM
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Yea, I didn't want to get them or anything I was just making a statement. In Illinois, HGH is a controlled substance which means felony. Anabolic steroids are a class C misdemeanor, which means you get a slap on the wrist and a hug from the states attorney.
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17-Jul-05, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by threenorns
why would steroids be classed as a narcotic when they're nothing of the sort?
they're a "schedule III" substance requiring a prescription under federal law, which is the same class as opium, mrophine, methamphetamine, etc. various states have their own classifications, as well.
http://www.elitefitness.com/members/...aw/history.htm
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I dont know how things are in Canada, but here, you can't get a prescription for methamphetamines
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