What is 1AD, 4AD, etc.???

[nartnad]

Im confused about what 1AD and 4AD is. What are stacks, cycles, etc?

Is there a good website I could find more information about this?

[Jakanden]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bbin...?page=Steroids

Good place to start =)

[Streax]

Stay away from Prohormones if:

1. You are LESS than 21
2. You have been training HARD for less than 2 years
3. You do not have your diet in order
4. You are not willing to accelerate the balding process, get acne, get some PHUCKED up dreams, have your nuts shrink for a little while, get super horny/ limp dik (depending on which ones you take)

I mean this in all sincerity, prohormones carry ALL of the side effects of steroids, but do not result in as good of gains. The only reason to do prohormones over steroids are they are legal, and you do not have to inject them. If you meet any of the above 4 criteria you will probably just end up having a short lived increase in strength and size and most likely end up worse off in the long run!


1AD is an oral form of the ProSteroid 1-Testosterone
4AD is a similar compound that can be taken orally, transdermally or injected

There are a myriad of prohormones and prosteroids, but these just happen to be the most popular. Probably because ergopharms pills are so easy for the uninformed person to buy and just start taking.

They are for the experienced bodybuilder and not a typical supplement like creatine. They each have their own side effects that correspond to various steroid, and they are typically taken together to counteract each others side effects. 1Test causes a loss of libido (limp dick) and extreme lethargy, it also causes your joints to ache. 4AD aromitizes to estrogen so it causes a good amount of bloat and keeps the joints from aching as much, it also makes you extremely horny so it counteracts the limp dick, I have never heard the explanation, but it also does a good job helping with loss of appetite and lethargy experienced with 1Test.

They also highly compliment each other due to the fact that 4AD is a good for weight gain, and 1Test is good for lean gains and gains in strength. People take them in different ratios depending on what their goals are and what side effects they personally experience. I just had a heated discussion in an earlier thread with a self proclaimed expert about this, but I will reiterate. If you have problems with gyno be VERY careful with 4AD and read up on nolva and treatment of gyno. Also be VERY careful with accelerating the balding process if you are prone. I did not think I was prone, but found that my hair started shedding. The certain self proclaimed expert does not seem to think there are any big risks of the side effects, but I have experienced the 3 most traumatic ones. balding, gyno (already pre-existing since puberty, but it was aggravated,) difficulty urinating...

and Yes, if the products are working your balls WILL SHRINK for a little while!

So with that said... what is your age, weight, height, BF%, years training, and stats, before anyone can even begin advising you...

[Jakanden]

Good post bro - that just went in my sticky threads folder =)

[The Edge]

Streax..did you say that you had experienced a small case of Gyno at puberty, and that might be the reason it happened to you? What did you do to get rid of the gyno?

[Streax]

crap... I just typed out a really long reply, but it got lost, because I lost my internet connection.

Like most men, I did experience some slight gyno when I was younger. Unfortunately I am in the 10% that the symptoms did not totally go away after puberty was over. I have these hard lumps of tissue behind each nipple that are about the size of a marble.

This tissue was aggravated and it cause the hard lumps to grow a little larger as well some fatty tissue to increase around the nipple area which caused my areolas to puff out a little bit. I took quick action and immediately started taking nolva to counteract the gyno. Nolva will cure gyno that is fresh, but it will not make the old tissue that has been there since puberty go away. It will probably not help you either if you experience gyno during a cycle and have to wait a week or two for it to be mailed to you.

This is why I suggest people to use nolva instead of clomid or 6oxo. Not only because of the fact that it is actually an estrogen blocker, but because it can be used mid cycle to cure gyno unlike the other two. It is a little bit more expensive, but you can't put a price on not having bitch tits.

I have always been self conscious of my nipples and this did not help, although the tissue I have behind my nipples is now hot it was before.

I hope I covered everything that I did the first time. Sorry for the quick and rash reply, I just did not feel like typing it all again.

[JD03]

Hey streax- question here. You said that you started losing your hair, did you do anything about it? did you stop the prohormone? did you start taking an ancillary? Help me out
JD

[Streax]

nizoral shampoo 2 times a week and 2% spiro solution twice a day on the top of my head. hairloss has slowed back down thank god! People have reported the 5% solutions to actually regrow hair in cases where you can actually see visible balding and/or receeding hairline. I however still have a very full head of hair, I just want to keep it for a while. ;-)

If you want more info on these hair supplements let me know. There is lots of good info out there about them, whether you have messed with prohormones or not, it is always good to ensure a full head of hair or regrow what you have lost or what has thinned out.

[JD03]

Oh wow thanks for the quick response brotha I'll look into those shampoos

[Jakanden]

I use Nizoral because i have severe psorasis on my head, lower neck and elbows. That stuff works great heh.

[Streax]

http://www.fitnessgeared.com/showthread/t-1589.html

check out this thread for a little more info and links to some vendors online. the 2% spiro is a prescription, but you can get it easily online. I myself ordered the nizoral shampoo and 2% spiro solution in a spray bottle from nizoralman.

[JD03]

Awesome, thanks again bud =)

[Tiestolive]

well the thing that i heard of is called one-T by Richard Kasparee, is that the same thing as 1-Test???? and if anyone heard of One-T by RIchard Kasparee please let me know, i was planning on taking it and i dont really want to experience any of hte sideeffects mentioned. thank