what is natural means to you?

ShortGuy · 20-Oct-02, 02:06 AM

what is natural??
its taking creatine, L-glu. and ZMA consider natural?

Steve · 20-Oct-02, 02:21 PM

Sure...nothing wrong with those. Have you tried Tribulus with ZMA?

Steve

lastDays · 20-Oct-02, 03:53 PM

In my opinion, anything you take to help enhance your performance makes you no longer natural.

Why? Because even though the effects of these products aren't as great as that of an anabolic, you're still attempting to increase your performance beyond what it would be normally. Creatine, Ephedra, and even down to Whey protein are used to get an edge in training. Just because something that is illegal gives you a bigger edge doesn't mean you are any less natural.

Cougar · 20-Oct-02, 06:53 PM

As a biologist, I think "natural" is one of the most misused words in the English language today.

In reference to working out, it doesn't mean a goddamn thing to me. How "natural" is religiously lifting steel plates?

heibrin · 20-Oct-02, 08:38 PM

If you take vit C you can consider yourself as not being natural anymore. But then, where do YOU want to draw the line?

Lets see. The meat, veggies and bread you eat where not developed 'naturally', but with chemical and steroidal aid. Thus you are not eating 'natural' food which technically makes you unnatural in turn. Even the water in our taps is full of additives. Will you stop eating because you do not want to be unnatural?

If you want to be 'natural' you need to go on a total 'organic' diet, drink distilled water & breath filtered air.

If the abovementioned does not appeal to you, accept the fact that you are not natural (and never will be) & draw the line where you feel it need be. This part is totally up to you. I choose to make use of any GOOD aid I can aquire (in moderation)- time waits for no man!

Cougar · 20-Oct-02, 11:33 PM

No, if you want to be "natural", you don't drink distilled water and filtered air. You take your hairy butt out of your house and drink from rivers and breathe actual air like every other "natural" animal on the planet, and develop a REAL immune system. And oh, eat nondomesticated plants and kill your own food; you'll have to scavenge most of it since hominids aren't very well-equipped hunters without their tools.

"Natural" my hind foot. It's a totally false goal unless you want to be a hunter-gatherer.

heibrin · 21-Oct-02, 12:26 AM

If you want to be 'natural' you need to go on a total 'organic' diet, drink distilled water & breath filtered air.

I was only being sarcastic with my abovementioned definition of 'natural'

slipper · 21-Oct-02, 04:55 AM

Natural is exactly what it is, NATURAL. Protein is natural therefore drinking whey protein is natural. Glutamine is a natural occuring nutrient that is REQUIRED by the body, therefore its natural. Creatine is naturally found in fish and red meat, natural. "Vitamins A through Zinc" is required by the body, therefore its natural to take for supplementation. Stuff like prohormones, steroids, or anything not naturally occuring or normally required by the body, NOT natural. My opinions only, but it makes sense to me.

Steve · 21-Oct-02, 07:36 AM

So, being "natural" means not wearing clothes(I was born n-a-k-e-d),
I have to live in a "natural"environment - like a cave. I have to hunt my food with rocks and sticks....etc...etc.

No way, sunshine. If I can run faster or be bigger than the next guy using "synthetic"substances, I will of course use(abuse) it.

My 2c

Steve

slipper · 21-Oct-02, 02:20 PM

"So, being "natural" means not wearing clothes(I was born *****),
I have to live in a "natural"environment - like a cave. I have to hunt my food with rocks and sticks....etc...etc.

No way, sunshine. If I can run faster or be bigger than the next guy using "synthetic"substances, I will of course use(abuse) it.
"
the discussion is for what we consider to be natural which you already contradict by saying "synthetic" substances. i plan on trying prohormones once as an experiment, but that is definately not natural.

Steve · 21-Oct-02, 02:58 PM

I can't type n-a-k-e-d on this board, but I can type penis.

I don't get it....

Steve

Steve · 21-Oct-02, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by slipper
[bthe discussion is for what we consider to be natural which you already contradict by saying "synthetic" substances. i plan on trying prohormones once as an experiment, but that is definately not natural.

I hear you......

...what a difficult situation.....

Steve

Cougar · 21-Oct-02, 05:00 PM

"Steroids" are mostly just overdoses of substances the body manufactures every day, like testosterone. Prohormones are just the chemical precursors of steroids. Protein supplements are processed and carefully chosen to be "pure" versions of easily digested, complete proteins, so that the body will assimilate them faster than it would from food.

Insert quarter to play again.

(Oh, and sorry, heibrin.

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lastDays · 21-Oct-02, 05:55 PM

Testosterone is natural.

slipper · 22-Oct-02, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cougar
"Steroids" are mostly just overdoses of substances the body manufactures every day, like testosterone. Prohormones are just the chemical precursors of steroids. Protein supplements are processed and carefully chosen to be "pure" versions of easily digested, complete proteins, so that the body will assimilate them faster than it would from food.

Insert quarter to play again.

(Oh, and sorry, heibrin. )

true, good arguement. "Steroids are mostly just overdoses of substances the body manufactures every day", therefore injecting it into your system alters the natural process. testosterone is naturally produced by the body and was not meant to be supplemented with more. Use of artificial testosterone will halt the production of natural testosterone which in turn causes drastic side effects such as the shrinkage of the family jewels, bitch tits, etc. Many bodybuilders use products such as clomid to minimize the side effects after a steroid phase making the steriod use even more un-natural.