What should I take to grow? Need advice

[Skuba]

Hi,
I have been working out for a long time and every time I take it seriously, including taking some supplements and rich protein foods I can feel some muscle growing.
But, I kind of came to a stall.
I have been taking Original Met-Rx, GNC Creatine and GNC Glutamine, but growing is not that visible. I also eat some protein bars during the day, eat some cottage cheese, etc...
I avoid eating fat during the day and carbs in the evening. I don't want to put fat.
So, how can I get lean mass? Should I be taking more protein? Is there any new supplement that might help me? Should I get whey protein? Just eat more food? What about those andro stuff? Are they completely safe?
I will appreciate any help.
Thanks

[MsFit]

First point of muscle growth is quality nutrition. Be sure you are eating 6 quality meals a day, rich in carbohydrates and completel protein. Don't neglect essential fat, but don't overdo it either. EFA will aid in muscle growth. Eat at least 1 to 1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight. Shoot for 2-2.5 grams of carbs, perhaps more depending on your bodytype and metabolism.

Supplementing is another aspect. First, I'd suggest buying supplements from name brands such as TwinLab, SportsPharma, EAS......I use to manage GNC, they have wonderful multi vits and herbs, but they suck on sports nutrition. They're target is the Baby Boomers, and sports nutrition is not of GNC's primary intererst. I had tons of returns on GNC name brand sports nutrition.

[Jaster]

Squat, Deadlift and Bench!
The big three!
Do them with good form and eat right and you will GROW!

[Skuba]

Somedays I might take 1g of protein per pound, another days a little bit less.
I take a yogurt in the morning (10g), eat two protein bars during work hours (22g each), lunch (variable), one pack of met-rx (37g) before and another after (37g) workout, plus some sandwiches qith ricote cheese, fat-free cheese and turkey breast (20g). Something like that.
I mix 6 grams of creatine in my met-rx shake before working out, and 5grams of glutamine in the shake after workout.
Should I take more protein? Should I get Whey?

My routine has been 1 day (chest,shoulder and triceps) other day (back, biceps, legas), I do ABS in one or the other day depending of my time. But recently I have been splitting more like. I might do just chest and abs one day, than back and biceps, than shoulder and triceps.
How many days interval should be to workout the same body part? Should I split my routine even more? how?

[Skuba]

I just got GNC glutamine, should I return it and get a Twinlab Glutamine? Will make a difference?

[MsFit]

Originally posted by Skuba
I just got GNC glutamine, should I return it and get a Twinlab Glutamine? Will make a difference?

I'd exchange it. I don't think the GNC name brand Glutamine is quality. I think it's pure baking powder. They will do an exchange, even if it's been open.

[Allen]

What is EFA?

[Skuba]

maybe my breakfast should include more protein. Usually it is very light, cause I am always late to work. What do u think?
Usually breakfast at 7:30, firts work break at 10:30, lunch at 12:30, ssecond break at 4:00, at 6:30 I protein shake, go work out, at 10pm another shake and sandwiches.
What kind of rich protein food or suplement is easy to have at work?

[Skuba]

Any GNC suplement that works? What about their whey protein?
I can't spend a million every month to get twinlab and other expensive brands.
What is the best cost/value brand?

Thanks

[growinUP]

Looks like you are taking lots of protein. Try to take some Vitamin C with each dose of protein it helps heaps with the absorbtion.

[jay`]

[i] What about those andro stuff? Are they completely safe?[/b]

Well i am currently on androbolin, a tribulus stack with phyto-sterol and over 60% saponins, its very effective, after one and a bit weeks of popping the pills i have certainly noticed some changes, mood, sex drive, hunger, and strength and way faster recovery (also i have just began taking creatine again).

They recommend on the packet to cycle it in 6-8 weeks periods, however ive read elsewhere that 4-6 weeks is a more preferable as it is so strong.

I took it for 8 weeks last year and at the end of the cycle i became really sick, had blood tests and it showed elevated ALT and AST levels of the liver, similar to values from steroid users. However, i cant be positive that it was the tablets of the virus that caused the raise in levels, but my opinion is that the liver problem is most probably why i got so sick in the first place.

Again i read the label and it also recommends to be taken with the use of Liver repair (milk thistle), which i didnt do last year. I am on the liver repair this time and i will be having blood tests done after 4 weeks to see what the story is. Also worth mentioning, my diet this time is far better than last year, where i was stuffing in whatever, whenever, i was jamming lots of saturated fat down, which would i beleive put greater stress on the liver than my current diet.

I honestly think that a good quality andro stack combined with good training and good diet and rest will return satisfying results with little sideffects. Again check out the product, if it recommends a liver repair product, theres a good reason it does.

If you wanna check out a bit about androbolin heres a link

http://www.vitaminsaustralia.com.au/prod1920.htm

im not sure if you can buy it outside australia, but theres no doubt something on the market similar everywhere.

[4banger]

If you're not growing and not increasing your weight just add more calories, your weight needs to increase so that your muscle mass can increase (if you do it right you won't increase BF, only muscle), that's where most people get stuck, they take a boat load of protein, creatine, glutamine, whatever, but they don't ingest enough calories to support muscle growth, to gains muscle you need to eat more calories than what your body uses on a daily basis, otherwise you'll make marginal gains or no gains at all.

The more muscle you have, the more calories you'll need so you need to adjust that as you increase your mass.

[Skuba]

I don't know...usually high calori efoods and suplements include a lot of fat...
Can I take a weight gainer? What supplement should I take?
What kind of food is easy to put in a diet to get more calories and not much fat?
Thanks

[jplayer]

Originally posted by Skuba
I don't know...usually high calori efoods and suplements include a lot of fat...
Can I take a weight gainer? What supplement should I take?
What kind of food is easy to put in a diet to get more calories and not much fat?
Thanks

While you are correct in this statement. This is where your meal frequency comes into play. When I tell people how much I eat during a day they are always Like GOOD GRACIOUS how do you not get fat!!! BUT what they dont realize is even though I was eating all day long and having chicken breast and whole wheat pasta and extra lean hamburgers and salmon and MRP's and so on I still probably did not have as many calories as they did whith there three meals consisting of sausage biscuits, super size mcdonalds and pizza. Make sure you eat your meals on the frequency that everyone has outlined and you can get your calories through the roof on healthy foods. IN fact sometime at the end of the day I find myself adjusting my meals a small bit so I dont exceed my calories and I am pushing 4000 a day !!!

If upping your calories can "only" be accomplished by having the weight gainer powders try to stick with one that still has a good amount of protein while mainting a lower sugar ratio!!! If you can avoid those powders though definately do it!!!

Here is a sample of my diet if you like this is from the first two days of this week.


Monday:
6:30 am
1 cup oatmeal mixed with 1 TBSP honey and 1 small package of raisins
4 egg whites + 2 eggs scrambled

8:30
1 bannana
1 serving of mixed nuts
1/2 cup cottage cheese

9:45
1 4.5oz chicken breast
1 cup whole wheat pasta

12:15
1 apple
1 whole wheat bun
1 9oz extra lean hamburger patty

3:00
1 5 oz chicken breast
1 cup brown rice mixed with salsa

4:00
1 serving simply protein complete whey

4:20 workout

5:30
1 serving simply protein mixed with 1 serving simply gain
1 cinnamon and raisin bagel

6:30
1 5 oz chicken breast
1 serving brown rice mixed with bbq sauce

7:30
1 4 oz chicken breast
3 cups raw spinach with a tbsp balsamic vinegar

9:30 - 10:00
1 serving optimum 100% egg white
1/2 serving simply protein
1/2 cup non fat cottage cheese
1 tbsp flaxseed oil - ALL BLENDED TOGETHER

Monday- macronutrient breakdown
calories:3646 Fat:82 Carbs:377 Protein:354

Tuesday
6:30 AM
3 whole eggs
3 egg whites
1 1/2 cup grits
5 pieces turkey bacon
1 cup OJ

9:00 AM
1 5oz chicken breast
1/2 cup brown rice with salsa
1/2 cup lima beans

10:30 AM
1/2 cup cottage cheese
1 serving mixed nuts

12:15 PM
1 9 oz extra lean hambur patty
1 whole wheat bun
1 slice lowfat cheese

3:00 PM
1 4.5 oz chicken breast
1 cup whole wheat pasta

4:00
1 serving simply protein

4:20 workout

5:45
1 serving simply protein
1 serving simply gain
1 cinnamon/ raisin bagel

6:45
1 6oz filet mignon
1 medium sized baked sweet potatoe

7:45
1 4 oz chicken breast
2 cups spinach with balsamic vinegar

9:45
1/2 cup lowfat cottage cheese
1/2 serving simply protein
1 serv 100% optimum egg protein
1 TBSP flaxseed oil -- ALL BLENDED TOGETHER

Tuesday macronutrient breakdown
Calories:3971 Fat:109 Carbs:363 Prot:379

[JULIAN]

hi there i am currently taking myoblast right now stacked with creatine serum and celltech, taking these with a high rep workout four times a week definitely made me grow muscles.

just my suggestion....