winstrol

Mutant-X · 14-Sep-02, 04:31 AM

I'm looking to not really gain weight but just tighten up and gain alittle strength. I've never done a cycle before but I thought for my goal that some winny would do the trick w/out much side effects. I just wanted opinionson if this seemes like a good idea or not, should I get some clomid too or anything else. By the way I'm 23 and have been lifting since I was 16, played college football and majored in kinesiology w/ a minor in chemistry so I know how to workout and have been implementing my knowledge. Just looking for and "edge" and some advice. Thanks in advance

Lee J B · 14-Sep-02, 05:35 AM

Well, if you need some help with this check out here

Be safe.

14-Sep-02, 08:34 AM

Hi Mutant and welcome. If you do a cycle, it will work to get you to your goals. However, it seems that once you start using roids going back to being natural is very, very difficult. Think it through from start to finish before making that leap. Also, I would highly recommend talking to a doctor about getting blood tests done periodically to check your liver and cholesterol values. Better safe than sorry.

Steve · 14-Sep-02, 01:02 PM

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Originally posted by Lee J B
Well, if you need some help with this check out here

Be safe.

hmmm.......so THIS is where you're hanging out these days!
Planning something interesting?

Steve

Steve · 14-Sep-02, 04:13 PM

How many weeks are you planning on doing Winny?
You know that Winny can "dry out" your joints, don't you?
I'd throw in some Deca once a week to help with that.
Also, if your only looking at cutting and gaining strength, winny is the biz! Take the Clomid more or less ten to fourteen days after your last Deca shot. If you are gonna do WINNY ONLY you should start the Clomid earlier, cause Winny has a ridiculously short halflife....too bad about that....Two weeks of Clomid therapy will do you fine....if your steroid dosages are low (and the duration of your cycle, of course), you may not even need Clomid. But taking it can't hurt. Another thing you might want to try is TRIBULUS after your cycle. You can even take it during your cycle.
Better safe than sorry.

uhh..one more thing....I heard that ALA will protect your liver during a steroid cycle......you might want to check that out first.
Winny is kind of hard on the liver.

Like Iron said, have a blood test before you start and during the cycle...to be on the safe side.

Steve

Steve · 14-Sep-02, 04:17 PM

Mutant, you should read this as well

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Steve

Steve · 14-Sep-02, 04:23 PM

And this Mr Mutant...

WINSTROL

Steve

Mutant-X · 14-Sep-02, 07:11 PM

thanks for all the help. i was planning on taking tribulus and milk thistle during the cycle to help w/liver and LH. anything else to help out w/ the joints other than deca? i don't want to use that at least at this point. again, thanks

Mutant-X · 14-Sep-02, 07:23 PM

Out of curiosity, would taking creatine w/winny be beneficial or not?

Steve · 14-Sep-02, 08:52 PM

Well, I can't see why not. Why don't you leave it for after the cycle? You'll be so juiced you won't need it. Make it part of your post cycle therapy. I'd have done that.

Steve

Steve · 15-Sep-02, 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by Steve
I heard that ALA will protect your liver during a steroid cycle......you might want to check that out first.

"Alpha-lipoic acid is a vitamin-like antioxidant used in Europe to restore liver health and ............."

See the rest HERE

Steve

Lee J B · 15-Sep-02, 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by Steve

Planning something interesting?

Steve

hehehe, as it happens, yes. After some consideration , and well hours a day reading a lot of posts and studies on different roids, I'm putting together something that may just give me a little spike, not ready just yet though I need to check over a few things, even though natural is best, does the idea not excite anyone? Afterall , if you know your stuff, the risks are minimal, and its probably going to do you more good than it does bad

hehe watch this space.

Steve · 15-Sep-02, 06:02 PM

Lee,

Don't go over to the dark side, yet. Your what? 16?
You'll do more harm than good...believe me.

Steve

Steve · 15-Sep-02, 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by Lee J B
does the idea not excite anyone? Afterall , if you know your stuff, the risks are minimal,

I know what you're going through. Been there. You see the pics of those big and ripped guys and you're thinking: God! That could be ME! You look at roids with bright eyes like a kid waiting for Santa Claus. All it takes is a few injections and I'll grow and grow.

I'm not flaming you, OK? I just think you're way too young to begin messing with the juice. There's no magic in roids. They can be outright dangerous, even to veterans. Ok, so you know your stuff. Cool, that's a good start. Also, if you know your stuff, you should know to wait a bit more. At least until your 21 or so.

In the meantime, work out and reach your genetic potential. You'll get there...forget the quick fix. I'm 41...I need the quick fix...now and then.

Steve

15-Sep-02, 08:27 PM

Lee, Steve has a point. Once you go on you are going to be tempted not to come off. At 16 your body hasn't even started to reach its hormonal peak, yet. You still have about 4 years of natural growth that can't be matched by doing a cycle or two. Roids work and work well, I won't BS you about that. But when your cycle stops, not only do the gains, but you do lose a very large portion of what you gained. So what happens then is you get depressed and want to do another cycle right away -- which will really screw you up.

Do yourself a favor Lee and eat, eat, EAT! That will get you large before you do a cycle. Save your cycle for when the gains stop.