a_welch503 WORKOUT JOURNAL

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Originally Posted by Maxgain

You are on HRt and are only achieving 550ng/dl testosterone levels. What are the free levels? Mikdrange normal is grand when you are not tinkering with the endocrine system but If I am shutting down my natural production i would ensure i have at least 750 levels.

Free was negligable on the 35-155 scale. It's now 110.

yeah, on the dosage i'm getting it should be 800 at least but it isn't. High test levels just aren't going to happen for me. Apparently that's why I worked so long and so hard - getting nowhere as far as muscle gain was concerned.

As far as ensuring that I have at least 750 - nothing I can do about that. You work in the UK, I don't know the laws over there, but here in the US my doc has taken me as far as she can. I'm in the normal range, I feel good again, if she takes it any further she would have to answer to the DEA. Yep, they have to answer for every prescription they write for controlled substances. Testosterone is looked upon almost like heroin in these parts. I'm lucky to have one of the fe docs that will actually prescribe it. Of course she's the one that gave me var for my leg weakness that time before so she's cool and understands that I have to do what it takes to stay on my feet and out of the chair.

However, she can't go beyond the dosage she's given me because I've responded well to it no matter what the numbers say - if I had gotten to 200 and felt better - it would have had to do.

About a year ago, a neurologist in the next town and pain management doctor opened an age management clinic - it was really just a dope shop. People were going and getting loads of oxycontin, the 12 hour morhine relative which name I've forgotten (the one that 3 pills in 24 hours is a guaranteed death sentance - picked a few of those up when it first came out), they were also getting test, deca, a-bombs...bad bad sh*t going on. Guess who now no longer has a medical license and are going to prison???

Not my doc - because she won't take it too far. She practices medicine to help, not to just make money.

I am however very happy with what I've got now. I feel the best I can remember since I was young. When I was in my early 20's I didn't gain fat, ate whatever I wanted, lifted wrong, did cardio wrong, did pretty much everything wrong and had excellent results, I probably had very high levels then. Then nothing worked for me at all. Now we know why - I had turned into an old woman, a bitchy old woman. Compared to where I was a couple of months ago, I feel like superman - I know I'm just feeling like a normal 37 year old man should feel, but by comparison - it's wonderful.

Me at 17-20 on a weekend:
Friday night - nail the GF, her friend if possible, sometimes one of their moms too. Sleep an hour or two.
Saturday morning - go to gym, 20 minutes treadmill, 20 minutes stairmaster, 20 minutes lifecycle, then 12 reps maximum weight I could move 1 set on every nautilus machine they had.

Sunday - off - go to church feeling very guilty about my weekend.

Monday-Friday - go to work at 3am, gym at 6am, go to school at 8am, back to work at 6pm, bed by 11:30 or 12.

Friday night - start over with the same stuff again.

Me at 30 - old, tired, fat.

Me at 34 - old, tired, fat, crippled.

Me at 37 - still old, but starting to feel a lot better, not tired all the time anymore, not too fat anymore, making some progress in the gym finally, going to work, staying home, being good like I should have all along.

[Maxgain]

Originally Posted by a_welch503

Me at 17-20 on a weekend:
Friday night - nail the GF, her friend if possible, sometimes one of their moms too. Sleep an hour or two.

Sunday - off - go to church feeling very guilty about my weekend.

Well then you dont deserve any testosterone levels Lets see how many women you would score as an eunech.

I just hate people who get more action than me. As you can guess i hate an awful lot of people

[Maxgain]

Originally Posted by a_welch503

Free was negligable on the 35-155 scale. It's now 110.

yeah, on the dosage i'm getting it should be 800 at least but it isn't. High test levels just aren't going to happen for me. Apparently that's why I worked so long and so hard - getting nowhere as far as muscle gain was concerned.

I am however very happy with what I've got now. I feel the best I can remember since I was young. When I was in my early 20's I didn't gain fat, ate whatever I wanted, lifted wrong, did cardio wrong, did pretty much everything wrong and had excellent results, I probably had very high levels then. Then nothing worked for me at all. Now we know why - I had turned into an old woman, a bitchy old woman. Compared to where I was a couple of months ago, I feel like superman - I know I'm just feeling like a normal 37 year old man should feel, but by comparison - it's wonderful.

Your testes are not producing enough as for many people on Hcg. That is why the satnard protcol is hcg with testosterone as well. Low dose testosterone added to your current protocol such as androgel will aloow easy reaching of 800 levels. You can get high levels if you want them.

Im really pleased you are noticing such a difference from the treatment and I can see the results in your training progress alone. :

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Originally Posted by Maxgain

Your testes are not producing enough as for many people on Hcg. That is why the satnard protcol is hcg with testosterone as well. Low dose testosterone added to your current protocol such as androgel will aloow easy reaching of 800 levels. You can get high levels if you want them.

Im really pleased you are noticing such a difference from the treatment and I can see the results in your training progress alone. :

I was so low once all the seemingly endless testing was done that androgel wasn't an option. I went to the doc every monday at 4:30pm for an injection, now I do it at home.

We've discussed HCG, progesterone, even some of the fertility drugs to increase my own natural production. Well, I didn't have any natural production to increase. The problem wasn't in the testes - it was in the pituitary so the treatment is a bit different somehow. Apparently the things that increase the testicular production won't work for me.

My last visit I did ask when we can start making me make my own again - the idea of being on meds for life just doesn't appeal to me very much. She just smiled and said, we'll see when it's time.

Apparently my only hope of getting normal without meds is to fix my brain and spinal cord. I'm not much of a supporter of stem cell research either - even though it's what will eventually lead to me being normal. Don't look to seem me doing the south park Chris Reeves thing of sucking fetuses dry to feel good anytime soon. Tell me to eat pig testicles and it'll help - I'll do it. Bull's testicles - sure why not... damage a human embryo to make me feel better - I'm against it.

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Originally Posted by Maxgain

Well then you dont deserve any testosterone levels Lets see how many women you would score as an eunech.

I just hate people who get more action than me. As you can guess i hate an awful lot of people

My current condition may be karma this is true.

If it helps any - since I met my wife - a few years before she was my wife - there has been no action in my life that didn't involve her. And for the last couple of years - not much of that because of well, you are familiar with my condition. Lately she does kind of resemble Mrs. Bob from the Enzyte commercials though.

[Maxgain]

Originally Posted by a_welch503

I was so low once all the seemingly endless testing was done that androgel wasn't an option. I went to the doc every monday at 4:30pm for an injection, now I do it at home.

We've discussed HCG, progesterone, even some of the fertility drugs to increase my own natural production. Well, I didn't have any natural production to increase. The problem wasn't in the testes - it was in the pituitary so the treatment is a bit different somehow. Apparently the things that increase the testicular production won't work for me.

My last visit I did ask when we can start making me make my own again - the idea of being on meds for life just doesn't appeal to me very much. She just smiled and said, we'll see when it's time.

Apparently my only hope of getting normal without meds is to fix my brain and spinal cord. I'm not much of a supporter of stem cell research either - even though it's what will eventually lead to me being normal. Don't look to seem me doing the south park Chris Reeves thing of sucking fetuses dry to feel good anytime soon. Tell me to eat pig testicles and it'll help - I'll do it. Bull's testicles - sure why not... damage a human embryo to make me feel better - I'm against it.

What is your treatment? I thought it was HCG.

If it is a pituitary problem HCG will work it bypasses the pituitary acting directly on the testes so is the ideal treatment if testes are working properly.

Stay away from fertility drugs such as clomid and nolvadex they not natural treatment and you feel like crap on them and should not be used long term.

Androgel is always an option its just about finding the right amount. It does not matter what your level was before because it is going to be shut off by testosterone administration so is irrelevant once on therapy.

I have no idea why she is talking anout progesterone never heard of such a use


What dose of testosterone are you injecting weekly is it an injection into the glute.

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1ml glute injection each week.

Treatment was going to be HCG, but apparently that's for short term to make testes produce again too. Then when your levels get up to normal, you go off of it. I didn't have normal levels to work with so she just gave me test only.

So far, so good, I'm feeling the best I've felt in years so I'm not going to question it...unless getting around to making me make my own takes too long.

She wants to make me feel normal first, let me have some quality of life, then work on getting my endogenous levels up if it is even possible. Now we know what I feel good at, we have a goal to shoot for when the time comes to change treatment.

She actually would prefer that I just use test for life and keep it simple. But not being an old guy like me, she doesn't really know what goes on inside the male brain when it realizes that he can't actually be male anymore without medication.

It really sucks to know that about myself.

[Maxgain]

You need to be on HCG as well once steady state is reached with the testosterone.

You hear of the side effects of steroid taking causing atrophy of the testicles and thus failure to function well the same hapopens for trt. If you want ot feel normal you need to introduce this soon. it should also give the boost to put your levels around the 800 mark.

[Maxgain]

Originally Posted by a_welch503

1ml glute injection each week.

Treatment was going to be HCG, but apparently that's for short term to make testes produce again too. Then when your levels get up to normal, you go off of it. I didn't have normal levels to work with so she just gave me test only.

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For prepubertal boys yes not trt you will just drop down to hypogonadism on cessation. With old therapy it was nec to take a break because too high doses were used which could lead to desensitisation however you can go on it long term now at low doses and is used in nearly all trt protocols.

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Note on yesterday's injury.

oops - worse than I thought. Can't stand, can't sit - spending today reclined.

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09-19-2006

1x15

Squat...............100
SLDL................100
Row.................105
BB Flat Bench.......105
OHP..................50
P/U..................BW
Cable Crunch.........60
CDL.................105
Leg Extension.......100
Good Morning.........60
Calf Raise...........80
Shrug................80
Curl.................65
Skull Crusher........65
DB Decline Bench.....25

Comments
Today felt like a warmup instead of a workout. Don't like these super light days. I cannot, however argue with the results I've gotten from this over the last two months. Time to do it as precribed in the plan instead of doing my own thing with it and see what happens. Supposedly extra sets burn more calories and don't make one grow as well...we shall see.

Back feels great today.

[Maxgain]

Did you take the 10days rest???????

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Originally Posted by Maxgain

Did you take the 10days rest???????

Nope, Bryan said that a week is sufficient in his description of his workouts. So I got a week off. He also said the 15's aren't needed if you aren't injured...since I got my week off because of an injury - I'm doing the 15's.

[Maxgain]

Each to their own i beleive 10 days is better after first time doing it especially after having an injury.
the 15s are only an adaptive phase so unnecessary if all goes well first time

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09-21-2006

1x15

Squat...............110
SLDL................110
Row.................110
BB Flat Bench.......110
OHP..................55
P/U................BW+5
Cable Crunch.........65
CDL.................105
Leg Extension.......105
Good Morning.........65
Calf Raise..........100
Shrug...............100
Curl.................70
Skull Crusher........75
DB Decline Bench...27.5

Comments - workout still feels like a warmup.