Diary of a Metabolift User ;)

galileo · 16-Jul-02, 11:07 AM

07.15.2002 [edit: wrong date]

Not doing this to be cool or compete with Sophos9, just wanted to remark on how well I think ECA straight will work for keeping my metabolism going!

Assumptions
1 metabolift is 10mg of Ephedra and 100mg of Caffeine
1 aspirin - 81.5mg

Dosing
6:00 AM - 1 metabolift
8:00 AM - 1 metabolift, 1 aspirin
10:00 AM - 1 metabolift
12:00 PM - 1 metabolift, 1 aspirin
2:00 PM - 1 metabolift
4:00 PM - 1 metabolift, 1 aspirin

Diet
1400 calories

33.34.33 Isocaloric (F.C.P)

Status
A little bit emotional today. Dramatic life.

Highs came at about 6:30 AM and lasted until about 11:00 AM.

No crash. Slept fine!

galileo · 16-Jul-02, 11:11 AM

07.16.2002

Dosing
6:00 AM - 1 metabolift
8:00 AM - 1 metabolift
10:00 AM - 1 metabolift, 1 aspirin
12:00 PM - 1 metabolift
2:00 PM - 1 metabolift, 1 aspirin
4:00 PM - 1 metabolift

Diet
1400 calories

33.34.33 Isocaloric (F.C.P)

Status
No highs. Not feeling ill or hungry or anything out of the ordinary. This dosing scheme is perfect. I am a little warm, but that's what I wanted! :mr. burns: excellent.

WarPoet · 16-Jul-02, 12:02 PM

Dan how much do you weigh your going to kill your metabolism like that. I am an endo with a slow metablolism and I averaged about 2500 calories a day on my precontest diet. Once you kill your metabolism it's all over if your on a time restriction. 1400 calories sounds too low unless your really short and around 120 lbs.

galileo · 16-Jul-02, 12:16 PM

Nay, I am in the low 150's.

I had this plan of progressive overload. It seems to be working very very well.

Started off at maintenance, jump down about 300 calories. From there I lowered calories 100/week. I happen to be close to the end and my metabolism seems to be fine. I am not under 1000 calories below maintenance. One more week of the cut and I am done, anyhow.

I haven't lost muscle, I've actually gained some according to calculations, although that stopped last week when I hit 1500 calories.

I am using ECA now to keep myself going, but I don't really think it slowed down too much. I don't mind experimenting with myself, I certainly won't do any permanent damage.

Thanks though!

Sophos9 · 16-Jul-02, 12:18 PM

Danugi, its no problem. The more "real life" scenarios the better I think! No advertising, No promotion, NO BS, just plain facts for people.

Go for it mate, interested in the results

JUST DONT BEAT ME!

Dave

Piper · 16-Jul-02, 01:01 PM

heh.. I won't need to compete then.. lol

Sophos9 · 16-Jul-02, 01:04 PM

lol @ piper

WarPoet · 16-Jul-02, 01:15 PM

You'd do better in the long run on higher calories, I'll try to explain the scenario going too low creates. Say a guy wants to compete in say 12 weeks and he wants to get as low as possible he thinks by lowering his calories he will lose more fat, that's a bad assumption and he kills his metabolism. He will have to pull out of the contest because he doesn't have time to kick start his metabolism again and lose the fat. You need your metabolism high as possilbe for those last percentages to come off to get really ripped. I never once dropped my calories from 15 weeks out to decarb, I lost 36 lbs and not one once of muscle (gained some actually not much).

Too many people still think that calories are the key, personally I think content has a lot to do with it as well. Took me years to figure that out.

galileo · 16-Jul-02, 01:34 PM

No contests here, just some experimentation

I lost a bunch of weight from eating a little below maintenance with a 40F 20C 40P split. I like trying different stuff though!

Honestly though, it is calories in vs calories out. You can't ignore biology.

WarPoet · 17-Jul-02, 07:30 AM

Well I had excellent results, sure you have to have a calorie deficit but it doesn't have to be that much, what you eat plays a major role for example. I gain much more fat when I eat 3000 calories of crap than I do when I eat 3500 calories of good food. I can lose much more fat with 2500 calories of really good food than I would on 2000 calories of garbage food.

Why is that ? Well the glycemic index is one reason, if you eat foods that are highly glycemic at the wrong times then what you eat is more likely to turn to fat. Another reason is protein calories are much less likely to turn into fat than carb calories. The real secret is the replaciing of starchy carbs with fibrous ones. The right fibrous carbs are so low on the glycemic index that not only will they never be converted to fat, they may help with fat burning.

Oh and another thing protein synthesis is more important to muscle gain than high calorie intake. Again you need a calorie surplus to gain weight but it doesn't mean you have to have a large calorie surplus, it's all about what you eat.

These are all things it's taken me a really long time to figure out. I've pretty much done all the experimenting, now I know what works for me. It's hard to do cuz it means eating tons of boring food but it works like a charm.

Piper · 17-Jul-02, 07:50 AM

This is the problem that I'm trying to overcome now.. I'm trying to put on weight, but find it hard to "overeat"... I am on about 2000 cals a day, but would feel fine on 1400.... I am aiming for over 2500 and am finding it difficult... I need to find more foods that are like snacks... you know... stuff that you can grab instead of when you'd normally get junk food... There are times you just feel like eating junk... these foods are the ones I can eat when I crave junk....

Yoghurts (very low fat ones)
MRP and Bars....
Something like an omlette
Protein & Fruit & Yoghurt Shakes...

Is there anything else that anyone can think of that tastes nice... is quite fast to make (minimal cooking/preparation) and is low fat?????? I need more options so I don't f**k up every now and again....

The reason is... I also need stuff that I can carry around... like bars, that I can eat to increase my calories, so that it doesn't feel like I've eaten a full meal.. and then I can eat an hour or 2 later... I'm sure once I get used to it, I'll be ok.. but in the meantime, I need a helping hand finding more foods to "snack" on...

WarPoet · 17-Jul-02, 08:12 AM

I prepare all my meals a day ahead of time. I make everthing in bulk, like rice etc, I carry around this big gym bag with my meals in containers. Rice, tuna, chicken, fruit, vegtables and shakes is pretty much it.

galileo · 17-Jul-02, 08:16 AM

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Originally posted by WarPoet
Why is that ? Well the glycemic index is one reason, if you eat foods that are highly glycemic at the wrong times then what you eat is more likely to turn to fat. Another reason is protein calories are much less likely to turn into fat than carb calories. The real secret is the replaciing of starchy carbs with fibrous ones. The right fibrous carbs are so low on the glycemic index that not only will they never be converted to fat, they may help with fat burning.

I don't count fiber as a carb. When I do my daily calculations, fiber is removed. I eat foods like oatmeal, whole grain breads, and veges, so I get a bunch o' fiber.

I generally have 1 piece of fruit per day and the rest is low-GI.

I am going to see if I lose too much weight without a lot of fat loss this week. If so I'll up the calories a little bit. Where were you when I asked this question last week...
http://www.discussfitness.com/showth...=&threadid=537

:P

WarPoet · 17-Jul-02, 09:17 AM

Oh Ok you should count all your calories so we know what you talking about, chances are your taking in a lot more calories than 1400.

galileo · 17-Jul-02, 09:28 AM

I use fitday.com to count calories and it subtracts the fiber for me. Out of the food I get I estimate 30g of fiber at most, so if you counted them as calories...that's only 120 more. The lines are too blurred and since fiber isn't really digested and used I can't count it towards my carb count even though it may take energy to burn.

I am going to go with the "seat of my pants" method and make changes as necessary. As of now, no changes seem necessary!