First Cycle ..done the "right" way.

[TsiTalon]

i only have 3 weeks left so that’s why i am going to try and take a break which 4 days off is a pretty decent resting time. I really don’t want to cut it short but if after my break i still am feeling the same fatigue then yes i will cut it short. I even cut today short because it was just bad and your right you need to listen to your body. I believe rules can be bent but you always don’t want to break them.

[TsiTalon]

Originally Posted by Cort

Tsi, just curious, would you recommend Novadex for those with a natural case of gyno? I'm 18 and I've had it since I was 11, haven't seen any real reduction even as low as 10% bf.

This will explain it a lot better

FEMINIZATION:


Feminization can occur in male athletes in the form of breast swelling (gynecomastia), increased tendency toward fatty deposits, and extremely soft muscles. These symptoms are largely due to aromatization, meaning the partial conversion of a steroid into the female sex hormones (estrogen). The development of female characteristics may take place when the estrogen level increases significantly. Especially after discontinuing the steroid regime one finds this problem most aggravating since the athlete's androgen level is low but, at the same time, the estrogen level is elevated. In conjunction with this, it is interesting that estradiol (an estrogen) has an inhibiting effect on the male gonad cycle (see chapter: The Importance and Function of Testosterone). One can determine that an elevated estrogen level reduces the body's own testosterone production. The elevation of the estrogen level and the extent of feminization depend on the dosage and the type of steroids given. The determining factor, however, seems to be the constitution of each individual, since some show no gynecomastia while others already notice pain and swelling of the mammary gland with a dose of only 10 mg Dianabol/ day. The additive intake of anti-estrogens like Nolvadex, Proviron, or Fludestrin can be helpful in most cases. In general, after the steroids have been discontinued, the gynecomastia will slowly regress by itself. Since many are on the drugs year round, an operative removal of the undesired mammary tissue is no rarity. An elevated estrogen level is the "mortal enemy" of every competitive athlete because even with an. extremely low fatty content, one never really becomes hard. An excessive estrogen portion can directly negatively influence the psyche of the male athletes (see psychic changes).

[Cort]

Yeah that's what I thought, guess I'm screwed as far as that goes. At least it isn't a serious case, those can look pretty freaky.

Probably going to talk to my doc about it next time in though. Originally (when I was 11) I was told it was normal and would just go away. Other than the puffy nipples I haven't had any real problems though, as far as adding muscle and strength go anyway.

[TsiTalon]

Originally Posted by Cort

Yeah that's what I thought, guess I'm screwed as far as that goes. At least it isn't a serious case, those can look pretty freaky.

Honestly im sure its not that bad you just make it out to be more then it is. My brother has it to. His left pec looks like a little tit. I bust his chops all the time and ask if i can touch it HAHAHAHA He doesnt like that too much. Personally i would say maybe try and get that BF down just a little more and see how it turns out before you consider surgery.

[Cort]

Yeah, just hard to maintain a sub 10% bf year round while trying to make strength gains. Not really considering surgery as of now, can't afford it, and it just isn't serious enough for me to worry about it that much.

[DaRkAnGel]

Where are the workouts? The fact that you don't do deadlifts leads me to believe that they are most likely lame workouts. Prove me wrong

[TsiTalon]

Originally Posted by DaRkAnGel

Where are the workouts? The fact that you don't do deadlifts leads me to believe that they are most likely lame workouts. Prove me wrong

we try to hit them in a powerday , while hitting bigger movements like clean jerks, M-presses , and we did hit deads for a little but stopped. I know that i have to start doing them again but again i been so tried that even trying one of these i personally think that i am running high risk at getting hurt. Thats why i been shying away but after this small little break the pain is on for the next few weeks. It feels so good to be able to just kick back tonight. I been subing free m-presses with smiths and such.

[TsiTalon]

well today i felt 100 times better and hit the gym pretty damn good. The guys that i normally go with have ust about given up which really sucks for me cause i love having spotters. Make m push myself so much harder. But hey cant always rely on others right ? So this week is the week i get back on track , will update you guys later.

[TsiTalon]

Ok i am done cycle , stopping early. Body still a little tired but i haven’t been eating right past week and my grades are really slipping cause i send most of my time in the gym. I am off now. I might hit gym 3 days a week just for like 2 week and start cleaning up diet. Last time i weighted in it was 168 and 170 was my goal. I am VERY curious to see how much of that i will keep over the next month. I am still taking the novadex and i will start taking clomid, 100mg for a month in 18 day after last shot. Will keep you guys posted.

[abarlament]

Let's hear about the gains. What did you think?

[TsiTalon]

Well i took some pictures when i started and i am going to take some tonight and compare maybe i will post later. I feel as though my chest , lat’s, and shoulder’s are among the muscle that i noticed the most change. Other then that strength hands down has been the biggest difference that i made and was still breaking my personal records with my legs up until last week. It was a good experience and i enjoyed being on it just but wish i could put more into it which school hindered for me a little bit. Well i am not sure if i am going to do a second cycle we will see. For now i am very curious to see how much strength and bulk that i keep in the next month or so. So now i am going to start cutting down a bit. Will keep you guys posted for a little longer on how it turns out.

[TsiTalon]

Another side effect of the gear but it could have just been that i been stressed out but i did notice a little mood swinging at the end of cycle. For example we would go out and i would say these exact words to my bro "Hey, you feel like fighting tonight?" and i am 100% NOT LIKE THAT. I hate when people start fights for no reason at all but trust me if someone would have pushed one of my buttons that night he would have gotten it. I have learned to control that as best i can so it went fine and that was another reason why i thought it was ok to come off a week early.

[Lift2Live]

Originally Posted by TsiTalon

Another side effect of the gear but it could have just been that i been stressed out but i did notice a little mood swinging at the end of cycle. For example we would go out and i would say these exact words to my bro "Hey, you feel like fighting tonight?" and i am 100% NOT LIKE THAT. I hate when people start fights for no reason at all but trust me if someone would have pushed one of my buttons that night he would have gotten it. I have learned to control that as best i can so it went fine and that was another reason why i thought it was ok to come off a week early.

This is the exact side effect that would worry me if hell froze over and I ever did try juicin'. I'd be affraid that I couldn't control my anger since i've had problems with it in my past.

Either way man, smart move quitting early. Trying to push through school on it would seem to wear a person out. Looking forward to the before and after photos! :

[gcs118]

Isn't added aggression almost supposed to be a side effect? I'm not quite sure what exactly you took, but most are some form of testosterone if I'm not mistaken...which would make one more aggressive. I don't know much about steroids so correct me if I'm wrong please.

[TsiTalon]

It doesnt effect everyone who takes it really depends on the person. In my case i started to get it at the end.