Jroc's Log - Using Xenadrine EFX

[Jroc]

Here's my stats:
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 202 at start (Jan 20th)
I have made the effort to eat better, and drink a lot more water. I have cut all the pop out of my diet, and drink juice only with my creatine, because it is unflavored.

Supplements:
Optimum Nutrition Whey - Chocolate: I take one in the morning with 250ml skim milk before breakfast and at night, or immediately after workout if possible.
Prolab Creatine Monohydrate: 1 heaping teaspoon 4 times daily for first 5 days (just started) starting in the morning before breakfast.
Xenadrine EFX: 2 caps in the morning, and 2 in the afternoon (4 or 5 pm) chased by creatine/juice in the morning and water in the afternoon.

Workouts:
I am doing a 4 day workout, not exactly sure of what the hell we are doing (my friend and I) but it seems to be working.
Cardio: Done at least 4 times a week. Usually bike for 10 minutes @ > 85 rpm on a medium difficulty level (scale of 1-20 is 7 or 8). I then usually do a run for about 20 minutes at 9 km/h, no incline.

Other than that, I am making my best efforts to drink at least 4 litres of water a day, which isnt to hard, considering i have been so thirsty from the creatine?!?! I have been waking up 4 to 5 times a night thirsty as hell, where I usually drink about 150 - 250ml each time.

As of Jan 20th, I was (I believe), 202lbs. That was when I started taking creatine, protien and Xenadrine. I know that creatine usually causes you to gain weight because of the extra water retention, and that increasing the amount of cardio you do can also cause that. But since then, my weight has decreased to 198lbs as of Jan 23rd.
I always weight myself first thing in the morning to ensure consistency.

As for the effects of the Xenadrine. I did notice a little bit of 'discomfort' in my stomach. Let me describe it. It could be considerable to the pain in your stomach of when you are hungry, and your stomach is growling, except maybe 10% of the sensation. It doesn't hurt at all, or make me feel in any way bad, but is slightly noticeable. That usually occurs within 5 minutes of taking the Xenadrine, and lasts for maybe 15 minutes. Other than that, I have a good rush of energy that noticeably lasts for about 3 hours. Where, if you are just sitting or standing and doing nothing, you feel like finding a bar to hang off and just given'er with the chin-ups until you fatigue, then doing it agian 5 seconds later. It's a good feeling.

So far, nothing negative to report!

[Jroc]

Jan 23rd,

Today I had my usualy 2 caps of Xenadrine in the morning, but I took them with my protein shake instead of water. Can't stomach so much liquid in the morning. Makes me sick.

Ate at 10, 1, 5 and 8:30. Going to go have a snack now at 11.

I took my Xenadrine at 5 o'clock, and was feeling stomach pains around 9 o'clock, and they lasted about 1 hour. I don't know if they are related or not, but people have mentioned about having severe stomach pains due to Xenadrine, so I figured that I would keep a log of everything to so that I can see if it reoccurs.

[benman2002]

lookin good man, im interested in seeing how this goes...keep us up to date :thumbup:

[dana82]

are you taking xenadrine with ephedra in it?

[Jroc]

Ok, so last night I went out drinking, and this morning I was a wreck. I didn't check my weight, mainly because I didn't get out of bed until late and I forgot to. But anyways, I will do another update tomorrow morning.

I finished my loading phase for the creatine yesterday, so now I can finally stop toting little doses of creatine around with me. *YAY*


As per the question from dana82, the Xenadrine that I am taking is Xenadrine EFX, which is Ephedra free. I live in Canada so even if I did want to take it with Ephedra, I couldn't.

[Jroc]

Jan 26th,

Weight this morning --> 201lbs... BOOOOO
water weight maybe?

oh well

that will teach me for going out partying instead of doing cardio!

Proably going to make chicken wraps for daytime meals, with a sandwich and beans for din din.

Working chest today, and I will probably do cardio, although my legs are still sore from when I worked them on friday?!?! Anyone know why?

[benman2002]

Originally Posted by Jroc

Working chest today, and I will probably do cardio, although my legs are still sore from when I worked them on friday?!?! Anyone know why?

thats a good thing!...my legs are usually sore for 4-5 days

[Jroc]

thats a good thing!...my legs are usually sore for 4-5 days

Well, they were soar, until i did cardio at the gym.

Some crazy sheit.. Last week i started using the treadmill for more than 5 minutes a month, and I started off monday morning doing about 12 minutes.. felt kinda tired. Then, the next day, tried it again, did about 20 minutes, but was half dead at the end. I think i did it twice more last week, with about the same results. Around 20 minutes, and then dead, with every fibre in my body burning and screaming in agony.

Anyway, I started my loading phase and taking Xenadrine on half doses on Tuesday. I think on thursday I started with full doses of Xenadrine, and that was the last time that I did cardio, cuz Friday and Saturday I worked out and sunday I had as a day off. So today I decided to go over to the gym and do a bit of running around 9 o'clock in the pm. I did 5 minutes on the bike to get my heart rate up, then I did some chin ups (I love these, but Im not very good at them.. yet) Then decided to hit the treadmill, figuring I would get around 20 minutes if I pushed hard.

Well, to hell with that, at 20 minutes I was barely feeling it, so I pushed on and went to 40 minutes surprisingly easily. I could have kept going for sure, and probably pushed my self to about 55 to 60 if I really wanted too, but was afraid that I might be pushing too hard and not feeling it?!?! Maybe have one of those mornings where I wake up and feel like I was beaten by 8 Scandinavian Warlords with big wooden sticks.

So we'll see how I feel in the morning, but something is definitely working for me. Whether it be the Xenadrine, which I have a feeling it might be, cuz it really gets me juiced up about 1-2 hours after taking it and taht lasts for up to 3 hours, where I really feel the blood pumping, and just want to go run until I pass out (YAY XENADRINE), but could be a combination of everything, the Xenadrine, Creatine, Protein and the better eating (no crap, i mean NONE.. actually, there is still a fair bit of stuff I could do without but I'm working on that)

So there you have it. I will try this again tomorrow morning maybe, see if I am feeling up to some more cardio.

[Jroc]

January 27th,

Weight --> 198

I guess yesterday was some water weight or something?

Anyways, after my freakishly long run, I wake up feeling quite good, with some minor tenseness in my leg mucsles (nothing a little stretching won't take care of).

Also, I went to bed fairly late last night, and got up quite early feeling good.. Which was damn near impossible 5 months ago.

Gonna try some crazy green tea drinks today, but first i gotta go get the stuff, and were in the middle of a crazy snowstorm. BOOO...

[Jroc]

Yesterday was a rough day. Very hard to catch all my meals when I wanted to, but still managed to get 4.5.. the last one, before bed, I tried some cottage cheese. It's not too bad in small doses, but then I thought why not mix it in a shake like people suggested. Well, that tasted like freakin poo, so I will never do that again. So I didn' eat much before bead, just drank a bunch of water...
Woke up this morning hungry like the wolf.

Weight this morning --> 199lbs. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!?!
Damn bouncing around. Well, I guess it isn't too bad, I mean, I am doing a fairly intense workout, so there will be a decent amount of water fluxation depending on how hydrated I get and all, so I am told. But I'm just gonna keep on given'er till I get there, so it doesnt really matter, but it would be nice to see it go down!

[Jroc]

January 29th?!?

So my weight, seems to have gone up, yet again? 200 lbs *throws pebble at scale*

Well, I don't know what is going on with the weight, but I will just keep on going. I am working out after all, so it is possible that I am putting on muscle weight, but 2 freakin pounds in 2 days, not a chance. Could be more water/food fluxuation, but there can only be so much of that right?

Well, for an idea of what I eat in a day, here is what I eat in a day... HA!

2 Xenadrine in the morning, with 1 cup o' water

Breakfast: - SUPER NASTY DISHWASHER WATER SHAKE
1 cup cooked oatmeal
1 cup green tea
1 tbsp peanut butter - smooooooth
1 tbsp honey - I'm not sweet enough yet
Blend that into a shake and send'er down the hatch - doesnt taste too bad actually

Meal 2:
1/3 chicken breast - some kind of alien chicken cuz the thing was HUGE
1 whole wheat/flax tortilla shell
chopped tomatoe slice
chopped lettuce
chopped onion
a splash of low fat ranch sauce

Meal 3:
Same as meal 2

2 Xenadrine down the hatch

Meal 4:
A bowl of cereal, a healthy cereal, lots of grains, oats, rice and that stuff, but still cereal --- BOOOO

Meal 5:
1 bowl chili
1 whole wheat bagel
--> I WAS AT WORK, IT WAS THE BEST I COULD DO

Meal 6: Before I hit the sack
1/2 cup cottage cheese
1 tsp honey to make the stuff swallowable
YUM YUM!

I usually have a protein shake with creatine right after my workout. And one more with the cottage cheese at night.

That was a typical day. I eat something very similar to this pretty much everyday. I try to eat 2 to 3 wraps a day, but substitute chicken for tuna, and ranch sauce for mustard. They are easy to make, easy to transport, and taste UBER DELICIOUS.

I also drink water all day long, about 3 to 4 litres on average. I always try to drink a lot, but then I have to pee a lot, and I already peed twice as much as the normal human could in a day, so now it is even worse.

Hope someone can critique and give me some feedback.

THANKS OODLES!

[cursor]

It looks like you've got a handle on things. Here are a couple of pointers:

• On workout days, focus the bulk of your food intake within a few hours of your intense workout (and if it's not intense ... then FIX IT! )
• Save your starchy carbs for that same post-workout period.
• Eliminate fats from your meals (as much as is possible) during this post-workout period (about three hours).
• Drink the bulk of your daily water with a serious focus on your workout session. Other times are much less important. You shouldn't have to be waking up to drink water.
• At other times during the day, focus on low-density, fibrous & complex carbohydrates ... combined with a dosage of protein.
• Don't micromanage your weight. Weigh yourself just once a week (consistently under same conditions).

[Octagon]

Originally Posted by Jroc

Could be more water/food fluxuation, but there can only be so much of that right?

Well, yeah, there are limits to that kind of thing but they're a lot higher than you might think. These are extreme examples but part of my approach involves scheduled break days/weekends and over the course of some of those breaks I've seen my scale weight shoot up by almost twenty pounds and it's not unusual to see one-day drops of five or more pounds on the scale over the week or so following a break.

Scale weight can be useful over a sufficiently long period but day-to-day changes tell you next to nothing.

Add creatine to the mix and who the hell knows what kind of water fluctuations you're going to see.

[Jroc]

On workout days, focus the bulk of your food intake within a few hours of your intense workout (and if it's not intense ... then FIX IT! )
Save your starchy carbs for that same post-workout period.
Eliminate fats from your meals (as much as is possible) during this post-workout period (about three hours).
Drink the bulk of your daily water with a serious focus on your workout session. Other times are much less important. You shouldn't have to be waking up to drink water.
At other times during the day, focus on low-density, fibrous & complex carbohydrates ... combined with a dosage of protein.
Don't micromanage your weight. Weigh yourself just once a week (consistently under same conditions).

Thanks a lot. I am going to pay a lot more attention to my carbs the, and everything revolving around my workouts. And I will focus my water intake around then as well. Much appreciated. As for the weighing thing, I will do this as well. I also wanted to get some *calipers?* to test my bf %. Because I would imagine that my bf % could go down while my weight changes less than expected. That should help me a bit!

Scale weight can be useful over a sufficiently long period but day-to-day changes tell you next to nothing.

Add creatine to the mix and who the hell knows what kind of water fluctuations you're going to see

Hehe, yeah. The creatine gave me 'overnight' muscle. I love it. Will be disappointed when I have to get off of it, which is about 3 weeks, cuz I cycle 1 month at a time. That's ok right?

Anyways, thanks a lot for your help. Critiquing is always welcome, even if it's bad news!

Jroc

[Jroc]

Didn't weigh myself today as per suggestions. Continuing on with the eating better food plan. Things are starting to taste kind of bland. But I don't care, I will eat gruel if i can find a way to make it a balanced meal.

Yesterday, for my before bed snack, had cottage cheese, 1/4 cup with a bit of honey. TOTALY hides the tangy taste of the whey. I recommend this to anyone who has trouble with the taste of cottage cheese. But don't eat too much, because even though you are hiding the taste from your mouth, your stomach KNOWS.....

And other than that, yesterday I worked back and shoulders. Then did a run at 10km/h for 15 minutes. Made it a little faster, but was lacking energy from the workout. I usually try to spread out my cardio and workouts when doing them on the same day, but time and schedules don't always allow. So I do the best I can.